kujo Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 [quote name='Mercy me' post='1581184' date='Jun 24 2008, 01:47 AM']However, you cannot deny the Judeo-Christian roots of this nation.[/quote] No one is denying that a lot of the very principles upon which this country was founded upon find their foundations in the Judeo-Christian heritage; however, that does not mean we have to shun other religions or shove ours down their throats, especially considering most agree with our basic principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1580434' date='Jun 23 2008, 09:54 PM']+J.M.J.+ there may be a million 'fake' reasons not to vote for Obama, and one very good reason not to: he advocates for the slaughter of the unborn. getting that fact out there is my main mission. i will not waste time with this other fluff stuff.[/quote] I make a point of that when discussing politics with others. [quote name='Alycin' post='1580443' date='Jun 23 2008, 10:06 PM'] I agree completely. That is the most important thing and the only reason one really needs to NOT vote for him. HOWEVER, when Christians spread lies or repost things without fact checking, it makes us all look bad and makes us lose credibility. I don't like that. [/quote] Yep. [quote name='Lil Red' post='1580873' date='Jun 24 2008, 02:19 AM']+J.M.J.+ there are just as many atheists and agnostics horrified about his record when it comes to partial birth abortion and infanticide. it's not a christian/religious issue - it's a human issue.[/quote] Yes. It doesn't have to be just a Christian argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 Is he talking about the 57 states of america here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 [quote name='Fixxxer' post='1581317' date='Jun 24 2008, 09:12 AM']Is he talking about the 57 states of america here?[/quote] No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 He makes me ill. Just because there are other religions here, that doesn't change the fact that America is a Christian nation. The fact that we are a Christian nation is the reason all the other religions and cultures are allowed to be here in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 [quote name='Fixxxer' post='1581317' date='Jun 24 2008, 07:12 AM']Is he talking about the 57 states of america here?[/quote] Oh come on. I can't stand the guy but the 57 states jokes need to stop. It's just lame. He was tired and meant to say 47. That's been established already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1583342' date='Jun 25 2008, 08:31 PM']Oh come on. I can't stand the guy but the 57 states jokes need to stop. It's just lame. He was tired and meant to say 47. That's been established already.[/quote] I agree. Facts are much more interesting than lame and unfair comments. Although after all the remarks made toward President Bush's having a mouthful of marbles when he makes public addresses, it will be difficult to resist the urge to do the same to Obama every time he slips up. But people who are charitable are taken a lot more seriously when making legitimate criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1583347' date='Jun 25 2008, 07:44 PM']I agree. Facts are much more interesting than lame and unfair comments. Although after all the remarks made toward President Bush's having a mouthful of marbles when he makes public addresses, it will be difficult to resist the urge to do the same to Obama every time he slips up. But people who are charitable are taken a lot more seriously when making legitimate criticism.[/quote] But Bush made mistakes that were just outright stupid. Like the time he showed up at an elementary school where the class had a [u]huge[/u] banner up indicating that it was "Preservation Week" and Bush proceeded to lecture the children about how wonderful it was "to persevere". I saw this with my own two eyes. Embarassing. That's totally different from a simple slip-up because a person is tired. Yep, there is plenty worse to call Obama out on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1583342' date='Jun 25 2008, 08:31 PM']Oh come on. I can't stand the guy but the 57 states jokes need to stop. It's just lame. He was tired and meant to say 47. That's been established already.[/quote] Fine, I'll just sit back and wait for my obama check to come in the mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1583340' date='Jun 25 2008, 09:28 PM']He makes me ill. Just because there are other religions here, that doesn't change the fact that America is a Christian nation. The fact that we are a Christian nation is the reason all the other religions and cultures are allowed to be here in the first place.[/quote] Hey Madame! Great to have you back. I hadn't seen you around these parts in awhile! Where you been? Anyway, enough charity... I disagree completely. I believe that we are a nation of many faiths and many cultures. But, since you think I'm wrong, I ask you: What defines a "Christian nation?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1583340' date='Jun 25 2008, 08:28 PM']He makes me ill. Just because there are other religions here, that doesn't change the fact that America is a Christian nation. The fact that we are a Christian nation is the reason all the other religions and cultures are allowed to be here in the first place.[/quote] [quote]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 John Adams: “ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.” • “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.” –John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” James Madison “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia] John Jay “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” John Quincy Adams: “Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"? --1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Soc, I feel like I've seen those quote 10000 times now. We accept that all of that is true. We're saying that this is not a "Christian nation" in the sense that Iran or Saudi Arabia are "Islamic nations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Socrates' post='1589711' date='Jul 2 2008, 09:55 PM']John Adams: “ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity…[/quote] No sense trying to confuse these people with the facts. They have their minds made up. You know our country is in trouble the day when even Christians deny that America is a Christian nation, and are totally unwilling to defend the nation as such. And the worse part is, they don't even know what it means when we say "Christian nation". They actually think we are stupid enough to mean the national religion is Christianity. Edited July 3, 2008 by Madame Vengier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 [quote name='notardillacid' post='1580571' date='Jun 23 2008, 07:12 PM']That may be great for you, a practicing catholic, but try convincing an atheist, agnostic, or apathetic christian with just that. Not gonna happen.[/quote] Who says atheists, agnostics, witches, and Catholics can't have [url="http://www.godlessprolifers.org/"]something in common[/url]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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