Do Eastern Rite And Western Rite Catholics Agree Dogma?

[Aloysius]

The dogmas must be followed, but the theology need not be latinized. And so, if a dogma is defined with specifically latin terminology, it can present a problem and sometimes Eastern Catholics just choose to ignore it for that reason... for instance, the Immaculate Conception speaks of original sin in a specifically latin construction. Eastern Theology must reflect the fact that the Blessed Virgin had no defect from original sin, but need not do so with the same conceptualization of "original sin" that Westerners hold.

there's a fine line and really, the relationship between the Roman Church and the Churches in communion with her is in need of some new radical focus that can sustain the movements towards de-latinizing the eastern churches while keeping their connection to Roman Petrine Authority.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1581241' date='Jun 23 2008, 11:28 PM']The dogmas must be followed, but the theology need not be latinized. And so, if a dogma is defined with specifically latin terminology, it can present a problem and sometimes Eastern Catholics just choose to ignore it for that reason... for instance, the Immaculate Conception speaks of original sin in a specifically latin construction. Eastern Theology must reflect the fact that the Blessed Virgin had no defect from original sin, but need not do so with the same conceptualization of "original sin" that Westerners hold.

there's a fine line and really, the relationship between the Roman Church and the Churches in communion with her is in need of some new radical focus that can sustain the movements towards de-latinizing the eastern churches while keeping their connection to Roman Petrine Authority.[/quote]

In reality though, Original Sin (transmitted by human generation) is a dogma just as the Immaculate Conception is (cf. D 788-792). If I'm not mistaken, isn't the concept of original sin held by many Eastern Christians contrary to this?

[StColette]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1581247' date='Jun 24 2008, 01:41 AM']In reality though, Original Sin (transmitted by human generation) is a dogma just as the Immaculate Conception is (cf. D 788-792). If I'm not mistaken, isn't the concept of original sin held by many Eastern Christians contrary to this?[/quote]

Micah and I spoke about this last night. We discussed how the Eastern Churches normally see the part of scripture that says "sin and death entered into the world". They concentrate on the part of death rather than the part of sin. This is why they speak of Our Lady's dormition rather than her death. This is where their understanding of the Immaculate Conception would be better understood by understanding the dormition of Mary. They don't believe that Mary suffered death, which is the result of sin. They teach that she merely fell asleep. So in understanding that you see how they believe in the Immaculate Conception according to Eastern theological language.

[Nihil Obstat]

To a supremely uneducated person such as myself, it appears that the biggest differences are cultural rather than truly theological...
...but I'll leave that to someone who knows it better.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1582073' date='Jun 24 2008, 06:45 PM']To a supremely uneducated person such as myself, it appears that the biggest differences are cultural rather than truly theological...
...but I'll leave that to someone who knows it better.[/quote]

I think Apotheoun would disagree. I suppose if you went back far enough one could argue that the cultural mileiu played a role in the different approaches to theology that developed, though.

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Edited June 30, 2008 by Veridicus

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='Paladin D' post='1580442' date='Jun 23 2008, 11:02 PM']I thought so myself, but I was browsing the Catholic.com forums' "Eastern Catholicism" section and noticed how a number of users claimed that such 'Latinized dogma' did not have to be followed. Not all of them did however, but it was confusing since they were bickering amongst themselves.

I may just start a thread over there to ask this question.[/quote]

Bear in mind that the Internet is not the best place to look for information. Discussion forums are especially bad, as it's difficult to establish how knowledgeable somebody is or to tell what their sources are. They may also think that they know a lot more than they really do. (This happens in real life as well, obviously.) My advice would be to browse for books on Eastern Catholicism in your local Catholic bookshop.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1587329' date='Jun 30 2008, 04:16 PM']...They may also think that they know a lot more than they really do....[/quote]

Nah...that could never happen!