Paladin D Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 (edited) Do the Eastern Rites and Western Rites agree on dogma? Such as the Immaculate Conception? If not, how can we have unity in the Catholic Church, if we are divided into factions (concerning dogma)? I have no problem with the Eastern Rites, and unfortunately I haven't had the blessing to attend one of their liturgies. The problem I do have with, is the assumption that those in the Eastern Rite do not have an obligation to follow Catholic dogma, out of fear because it's too Latin. I didn't get this impression from Phatmass, but it seems to be the case from another Catholic forum that I browse from time to time. Dogma is dogma. Unless I'm mistaken, aren't [b]all Catholics[/b] obligated to follow it? As Catholics, are we suppost to believe in Papal Infallibility? I understand that it is permissible to have differing theologies that come to the same ultimate conclusion, but this dogma issue doesn't make much sense to me. The Western Rite isn't better than the Eastern Rite, nor vice versa. We're all Catholic, and that is what matters. Edited June 23, 2008 by Paladin D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I'm confused by the rumors of Eastern Catholics not accepting the mortal/venial distinction, not accepting all of the Councils/Encyclicals and of approving ecclesiastical divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted June 23, 2008 Author Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Paddington' post='1580090' date='Jun 23 2008, 10:47 AM']I'm confused by the rumors of Eastern Catholics not accepting the mortal/venial distinction, not accepting all of the Councils/Encyclicals and of approving ecclesiastical divorce.[/quote] Which got me to make this thread. Maybe I should post this on a Catholic forum with a larger Eastern Catholic presence? I know Apo is one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 (edited) Too my (uneducated) knowledge, while there might be differing theological concepts (which would be expected) upon reaching the same conclusion, the important issue is that all sides of the Church still reach the same conclusion. To quote from Munificentissimus Deus, dogmatically defining the Assumption: [quote]45. Hence if anyone, which God forbid, should dare willfully to deny or to call into doubt that which we have defined, let him know that he has fallen away completely from the divine and Catholic Faith.[/quote] That does not seem like something ANY Catholic can deny or doubt. Maybe Rev can shine some light on this as well. Edited June 23, 2008 by CatholicCid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Paladin D' post='1580125' date='Jun 23 2008, 12:52 PM']Maybe I should post this on a Catholic forum with a larger Eastern Catholic presence?[/quote] If you do, please link it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 It's so irritating when eastern "Catholics" deny dogma. If they want to deny dogma, why don't they just join their schismatic brethren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1580329' date='Jun 23 2008, 02:49 PM']It's so irritating when eastern "Catholics" deny dogma. If they want to deny dogma, why don't they just join their schismatic brethren?[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Paladin D' post='1580073' date='Jun 23 2008, 09:01 AM']Do the Eastern Rites and Western Rites agree on dogma? Such as the Immaculate Conception?[/quote] I was not aware that they do not believe in the Immaculate Conception. I could have sworn that I've read a few of the Eastern Fathers had heard them refer to Our Lady's purity and that she was free from original sin at the moment of her conception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='StColette' post='1580353' date='Jun 23 2008, 01:22 PM'][/quote] Not all of them deny dogma, only some of them though. So what I'm saying is, if you belong to an Eastern Catholic parish, and you deny papal supremacy and infallibility, then wouldn't it make logical sense that you become Greek Orthodox instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted June 23, 2008 Author Share Posted June 23, 2008 (edited) [quote name='StColette' post='1580358' date='Jun 23 2008, 04:36 PM']I was not aware that they do not believe in the Immaculate Conception. I could have sworn that I've read a few of the Eastern Fathers had heard them refer to Our Lady's purity and that she was free from original sin at the moment of her conception.[/quote] I thought so myself, but I was browsing the Catholic.com forums' "Eastern Catholicism" section and noticed how a number of users claimed that such 'Latinized dogma' did not have to be followed. Not all of them did however, but it was confusing since they were bickering amongst themselves. I may just start a thread over there to ask this question. Edited June 23, 2008 by Paladin D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Eastern catholics don't believe in papal authority? hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted June 23, 2008 Author Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1580445' date='Jun 23 2008, 06:08 PM'] Eastern catholics don't believe in papal authority? hmmm...[/quote] I'm not saying that, because from what I know [b]they do believe in it[/b]. Though it's confusing, because to see a number of users on the Catholic Answers forum bicker amongst themselves over the issue, I don't know really what to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Paladin D' post='1580442' date='Jun 23 2008, 10:02 PM']I thought so myself, but I was browsing the Catholic.com forums' "Eastern Catholicism" section and noticed how a number of users claimed that such 'Latinized dogma' did not have to be followed. Not all of them did however, but it was confusing since they were bickering amongst themselves. I may just start a thread over there to ask this question.[/quote] I thought that stemmed from a differing view in regards to Original Sin, and a different way of defining it, but they still held that Mary was sinless from the moment of conception. I could be wrong, but I really thought they held to the same belief, just with a different way of defining it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Paladin D' post='1580456' date='Jun 23 2008, 05:15 PM']I'm not saying that, because from what I know [b]they do believe in it[/b]. Though it's confusing, because to see a number of users on the Catholic Answers forum bicker amongst themselves over the issue, I don't know really what to think.[/quote] Sorry, I was responding to st thomas more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1580445' date='Jun 23 2008, 03:08 PM'] Eastern catholics don't believe in papal authority? hmmm...[/quote] Yes, all Eastern Catholics do believe in the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff: it's a dogma. If one obstinately denies any dogma of the Church, he is no longer a Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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