mommas_boy Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1576080' date='Jun 19 2008, 12:02 PM']Irrelevant. Whether or not "global warming" is happening was not the point of the article, nor of the original post.[/quote] Yes, that was the stated point of the posted article and original post. However, one cannot deny the [b]implied[/b] point of the article without being disingenious; why would Gore's personal electricity use be an object of concern if not for the common knowledge that Gore is an advocate against global warming? Regardless of whether or not you agree with the man about global warming, the implication is ad hominem, and thus adds nothing of significance to the debate. [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1576082' date='Jun 19 2008, 12:04 PM']Ah, well that is your opinion. [b]In my opinion those who push the pseudo-science behind the "global warming" fad are doing the very thing you accuse the posted article of doing.[/b][/quote] Not quite sure that I understand what you mean here, brother. I am accusing the posted article of carrying an implied point that is ad hominem in nature and that adds nothing of substance to the discussion. Whether you regard global warming itself as science-fiction or science-fact is a topic for this real discussion; the article itself, however, merely distracts attention from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1576335' date='Jun 19 2008, 02:23 PM']Not quite sure that I understand what you mean here, brother. I am accusing the posted article of carrying an implied point that is ad hominem in nature and that adds nothing of substance to the discussion. Whether you regard global warming itself as science-fiction or science-fact is a topic for this real discussion; the article itself, however, merely distracts attention from it.[/quote] I know that you are accusing the article of that, but I believe that the article merely hightlights the hypocracy of Mr. Gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1576335' date='Jun 19 2008, 02:23 PM']Yes, that was the stated point of the posted article and original post. However, one cannot deny the [b]implied[/b] point of the article without being disingenious; why would Gore's personal electricity use be an object of concern if not for the common knowledge that Gore is an advocate against global warming? Regardless of whether or not you agree with the man about global warming, the implication is ad hominem, and thus adds nothing of significance to the debate.[/quote] Whether or not "global warming" is occurring, or whether the article makes an implicit attack on those who believe that "global warming" is actually happening or not, is debatable; but what is not debatable is the hypocrisy of Mr. Gore, who says one thing in public, while failing to act in accordance with his stated position in his private life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 I was forced to watch "an Inconvient truth" in science class. Besides the facts that he has wrong I HATED that half the movie he was climbing in and out of private or tiny jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1576336' date='Jun 19 2008, 04:25 PM']I know that you are accusing the article of that, but I believe that the article merely hightlights the hypocracy of Mr. Gore.[/quote] Precisely. What concerns me about the article is that it is a source of confusion and distraction from the science that is really at hand. I know that it is because so many people argue against global warming by quoting Al Gore's energy usage, rather than actually talking about the science. I relate it to "magic", or more precisely, prestidigitation: it's hand-waving that distracts the uninformed from what is actually going on. So many people are successfully distracted that they laugh off global warming with a "Did you hear about Al Gore's energy usage? The hypocrite. Global warming can't be true!", rather than engage in serious conversation yielding serious answers. On a topic that has potentially dire repercussions, and in a society where scientific literacy and argumentative logic are abhorred rather than embraced, to focus on anything other than the facts at hand strikes me as close to irresponsible in that it runs the risk of confusing society from focusing on the situation itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1576339' date='Jun 19 2008, 04:30 PM']Whether or not "global warming" is occurring, or whether the article makes an implicit attack on those who believe that "global warming" is actually happening or not, is debatable; but what is not debatable is the hypocrisy of Mr. Gore, who says one thing in public, while failing to act in accordance with his stated position in his private life.[/quote] Great. If global warming is true, Al Gore is being a hypocrite. If global warming is false, he is still being a hypocrite for not acting in accord with his own recommendations. You and I are agreed that the man is a hypocrite, but his hypocrisy has no bearing on the larger issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloglasses Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 On the hypocracy, yes, Al Gore is being a total Hypocrite. On the Global warming thing, think about it, if Al Gore is an authority on the subject, (which I doubt he is), then he has written about Global Warming, Global Cooling, Global Warm, Climate Change... In that order. On Climate change itself, if you're that worried about the Ice Caps, you have, by now, forgotten about the Ozone Hole a few years back. Seriously, i'm an animal person, I LOVE animals, (doesn't stop me eating them but, meh), but I just don't give a fig for the climate, granted, I'd love more snow instead of rain for my winters, but come on, I just CAN'T take them seriously anymore. We're more likely to be hit by a meteorite named Pinky before we we die of Climate Change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 [quote]I relate it to "magic", or more precisely, prestidigitation: it's hand-waving that distracts the uninformed from what is actually going on.[/quote] This goes on so much with politics and in the news that it is absolutely sickening to me. Actually, it goes on... everywhere... all the time... by most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1576548' date='Jun 19 2008, 07:37 PM']This goes on so much with politics and in the news that it is absolutely sickening to me. Actually, it goes on... everywhere... all the time... by most people.[/quote] Agreed, with everything that you just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 [quote name='Galloglasses' post='1576488' date='Jun 19 2008, 07:09 PM']On the hypocracy, yes, Al Gore is being a total Hypocrite. On the Global warming thing, think about it, if Al Gore is an authority on the subject, (which I doubt he is), then he has written about Global Warming, Global Cooling, Global Warm, Climate Change... In that order. On Climate change itself, if you're that worried about the Ice Caps, you have, by now, forgotten about the Ozone Hole a few years back. Seriously, i'm an animal person, I LOVE animals, (doesn't stop me eating them but, meh), but I just don't give a fig for the climate, granted, I'd love more snow instead of rain for my winters, but come on, I just CAN'T take them seriously anymore. We're more likely to be hit by a meteorite named Pinky before we we die of Climate Change.[/quote] I apologize, but I don't follow the logic in this post. Also, just a thought ... my original intention was not to debate global warming, but rather to demonstrate that Gore's hypocrisy has no bearing on the issue. Should we start yet another thread on GW , or just let this die? Your choice ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 [quote name='Galloglasses' post='1576488' date='Jun 20 2008, 08:09 AM']Seriously, i'm an animal person, I LOVE animals, (doesn't stop me eating them but, meh),[/quote] Dude, apparently you are unaware that St. Augustine said "You cannot eat what you do not fist adore." I adore animals. Therefore I eat them. Cute, cuddly little things that they are. Yum Anyway, why should we be surprised when Gore uses global warming propaganda to milk people of their money and then spends it on himself? I mean, you guys didn't really think those carbon credits where actually going to help the environment did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloglasses Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 ...I pay carbon credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Gore is laughing all the way to the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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