The Bible

[reyb]

[indent]One of the prides of the Roman Catholic Church which other Christian denomination dare not to discuss is the tradition about the existence of the Bible which says ‘the bible comes from the Church (Catholic Church)’. If it is true then, it is illogical and irrational that the doctrines and teachings of the Catholic Church are unbiblical.

Now, may we discuss how this bible of 73 Books really comes to life and Why Roman Catholic Church claims such pride? How about this bible of 66 Books of the Protestant? Does the Roman Catholic Church consider such bible comes from the Protestant? Or Do the Protestants consider that this bible comes from them the way the Roman Catholic Church is doing?[/indent]

[ReinnieR]

[quote name='reyb' post='1571709' date='Jun 15 2008, 09:44 AM'][indent]One of the prides of the Roman Catholic Church which other Christian denomination dare not to discuss is the tradition about the existence of the Bible which says ‘the bible comes from the Church (Catholic Church)’. If it is true then, it is illogical and irrational that the doctrines and teachings of the Catholic Church are unbiblical.

Now, may we discuss how this bible of 73 Books really comes to life and Why Roman Catholic Church claims such pride? How about this bible of 66 Books of the Protestant? Does the Roman Catholic Church consider such bible comes from the Protestant? Or Do the Protestants consider that this bible comes from them the way the Roman Catholic Church is doing?[/indent][/quote]
Why do we claim that the bible came from the church?
Because it did, it's fact. Study history.

[quote name='reyb' post='1571709' date='Jun 15 2008, 09:44 AM']How about this bible of 66 Books of the Protestant? Does the Roman Catholic Church consider such bible comes from the Protestant?[/quote]
Why would we do that when the Protestant churche[b]s[/b] didn't exist up until the 17th century?

The bible is not a book that came down from heaven.
There are so many different books/writings back then. Who's to say which is inspired by God and which isn't.

Only one Church can make that call. It's the church that is established by Christ himself.

[ReinnieR]

[url="http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0053.html"]http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apol...ics/ap0053.html[/url]

[dairygirl4u2c]

you could say that the protestant bible came from them. but, you'd be missing a major point... that their bible essentially for the most part came from the CC... as the protestants arguably removed those few books but the rest was given by the CC.

i'm pretty sure the counsil that approved the books... included as "canonical" the deuterocanonical books in question, btw.

you can claim the CC contradicts the bible... but i've never seen an absolutely surefire case that it has. usually most protestants contradict it, if fact. at any rate, your statement is too argumentative to be asserted as simply true.

Edited June 15, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[ReinnieR]

but it's fact

Dr. "Indy" Jones would tell you the difference between fact and truth.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='ReinnieR' post='1571728' date='Jun 15 2008, 11:39 AM']Why do we claim that the bible came from the church?
Because it did, it's fact. Study history.
Why would we do that when the Protestant churche[b]s[/b] didn't exist up until the 17th century?

The bible is not a book that came down from heaven.
There are so many different books/writings back then. Who's to say which is inspired by God and which isn't.

Only one Church can make that call. It's the church that is established by Christ himself.[/quote]

Buit don't you realize that the 66 books were all written with each book having full knowledge of what would be written in the other 65, and that there was no Catholic Church until Constantine established it and drove the true Christians underground for over 1000 years during which they were persecuted by the evil heretic Papists until they were finally able to re-emerge after the Reformation as the Baptists? And that only after then in the Council of Trent that the Catholic Church added the 7 books to support its heresies?








Gee, haven't we learned anything form Budge and her minions, either here or on other forums?

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='ReinnieR' post='1571768' date='Jun 15 2008, 05:33 PM']but it's fact

Dr. "Indy" Jones would tell you the difference between fact and truth.[/quote]
I used that quote when teaching some kids about archaeology - I got blank stares. They hadn't seen it!

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1571807' date='Jun 15 2008, 06:25 PM']Buit don't you realize that the 66 books were all written with each book having full knowledge of what would be written in the other 65, and that there was no Catholic Church until Constantine established it and drove the true Christians underground for over 1000 years during which they were persecuted by the evil heretic Papists until they were finally able to re-emerge after the Reformation as the Baptists? And that only after then in the Council of Trent that the Catholic Church added the 7 books to support its heresies?[/quote]
OK, made me laugh there.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='ReinnieR' post='1571730' date='Jun 15 2008, 04:42 PM'][url="http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0053.html"]http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apol...ics/ap0053.html[/url][/quote]
Like the article. [url="http://www.angelfire.com/ms/seanie/deuteros/graham_contents.html"]Here's another one [/url](from the Defense Directory)

[Galloglasses]

I've been studying history for the better part of my life, inside and outside school. I refuse to speculate on this question because the answer is so bloody obvious it is staring you in the face like the sun stares at the Earth.

For the record, the protestant Churches have been around for the maximum of the past 400 years. The Earely Church ended roughly in the third and fourth Century when they, willingly met at the council of Constantinople, (btw, the Early Church used 'smells and bells' as well as 'Saint Worship' and had Devil Bishops and Evil Priests), to form the organisational Structure of the already Catholic Church, which was Universal for ALL the Early Churches were represented by it. this event happened roughly in the 4th/5th century, (not sure on the date, but its either of those two centuries), when the Church itself has existant since Pentacost, (and before that since the Great Commission), do the bloody Math. For the record, since the protestant Churches and their interpretations of the Bible are so young compared to us, why the hell are we the ones having to prove ourselves when our very age proves what we claim?

I promised myself I wasn't gonna get into this but, there you go. Read a history book, better yet, several.

Edited June 15, 2008 by Galloglasses

[CatherineM]

Do Protestants really believe that they can trace themselves back to before Constantine, and that they were underground for 1000 years?

[Galloglasses]

Apparently. The smart just claim the Catholic Church got corrupted and that they were a seperatist wing claiming the are the real Church.

[CatherineM]

No wonder so many Protestant ministers that convert say they were led to the church after studying early church history.

[Galloglasses]

And thats probably why alot of anti-Catholics call what we know as early Church History as filthy Catholic lies.

[Deb]

Actually, the church began with the death of Christ, not with Constantine. The Christians were able to come out of hiding at that point. Please.

[cmotherofpirl]

If you are a member of the Jewish faith, your religion was founded by Abraham about 4,000 years ago.
If you are a Hindu, your religion was developed in India around 1,500 B.C.

If you are a Buddhist, your religion split from Hinduism, and was founded by Buddha, Prince Siddhartha Gautama of India, about 500 B.C.

If you are Catholic, Jesus Christ began your religion in the year 33.

If you are Islamic, Mohammed started your religion in what is now Saudi Arabia around 600 A.D.

If you are Eastern Orthodox, your sect separated from Catholicism around the year 1000.

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded my Martin Luther, an ex-Monk of the Catholic Church, in 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded when John Knox brought the teachings of John Calvin to Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Unitarian, your religious group developed in Europe in the 1500's

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion branched off from Puritanism in the early 1600's in England.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are an Episcopalian, your religion was brought over from England, to the American colonies and formed a separate religion founded by Samuel Seabury in 1789.

If you are a Mormon (Latter-Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your church in Palmyra, N.Y., NOT Salt Lake City, which would have been my guess. The year was 1830.

If you worship with the Salvation Army (yes, it's a religious group, not just an organization that collects money in kettles on Christmas and serves dinners to the homeless), your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year your religion was founded by Mary Baker Eddy.

If you are a Jehovah's Witness, your religion was founded by Charles Taze Russell in Pennsylvania in the 1870's.

If you are a Pentecostal, your religion was started in the United States in 1901.

If you are an agnostic, you profess an uncertainty or a skepticism about the existence of God or a Higher Being.

If you are an atheist, you do not believe in the existence of God or any other higher power.