Smoking In The House Or Car

[StColette]

[quote name='Roamin_Catholic' post='1564707' date='Jun 9 2008, 12:20 PM']Interesting....[/quote]

Yeah they past the law last Summer. I believe the average ticket is around $500 if caught.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='StColette' post='1564775' date='Jun 9 2008, 11:47 AM']Yeah they past the law last Summer. I believe the average ticket is around $500 if caught.[/quote]
How do they know if the person is under 13?

[StColette]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1564784' date='Jun 9 2008, 12:53 PM']How do they know if the person is under 13?[/quote]

If suspected of smoking in a car with a child under 13 they will be pulled over and questioned. If the police officer suspects that the possible "guilty" party is lying to them then they can call in for proof that the child is in fact under the age of 13. If they are and the cop was lied to then the person who was smoking would be fined and possibly arrested for lying to the police.

I've seen a few cars pulled over for this law, mostly people with carseats in their vehicles.

[Veridicus]

I agree with Alycin's earlier posts. Tax/Subsidy is the best way to curb the smoking addiction. In Indiana, I read recently that since the $0.50 / pack tax increase, the number of cigarettes purchesed has decreased by like 20%...course people could just be driving across the border to Kentucky or Illinois or Ohio. But with gas teh way it is, I doubt that is entirely it. I think the first time they raised the cigarette tax up to $0.42, they saw an almost 20% drop as well. Add health-choice incentives for non-smokers and that will give non-smokers ANOTHER reason to stay nonsmokers.

Its a bad habit and everyone knows it. People who smoke know it. It was such an intrinsic part of society for so long before good evidence of its terrible side effects came around...I guess common sense wasn't enough. I suppose in 50 years we may be saying teh same thing about plastic milk bottles and birth control and animal hormones in our food and caffeine. It just takes time to shift people's opinions...but with enough economic incentives/punishments it can work...besides the older 'smoking' generation will eventually die off. and I don't mean that in a mean way, but sorta its true.

[CatherineM]

I think a couple of provinces here have passed laws about smoking in cars when kids are present. I doubt that will ever get passed out here in Marlboro Man country. I will tell a funny story about cigarettes here. Packs in the US are like 4 X 5 with packs of 20 cigarettes, so pretty much like a deck of cards. Here the packs are 2 X 10, so they are long and flat, and the graphics on the outside of the package are very much like what condom boxes look like back in the US. So the first week I was up here visiting my future husband, I was staying with a widow woman from our church. She lived two blocks away, so as I walked past a vacant lot to go to his house, to my eye, the empty lot on the corner was filled with old condom boxes. I was a tad horrified by that. Later when I got a closer look, and saw people taking these packages out of their pockets, I realized I had been horrified by empty cigarette packages.

[prose]

Haven't read any of this thread, but here is my opinion.

I smoke. I hate (don't hate, appreciate) it, and have tried several times to quit.

I smoke OUTSIDE the door away from windows where my kids neither see or smell it.

Hopefully I will be a non-smoker someday and I won't have to worry about it.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1563952' date='Jun 8 2008, 10:37 PM']It's a slippery slope... some people think seatbelt laws are already too invasive.[/quote]
I sure do!

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1564168' date='Jun 9 2008, 12:07 AM']I just wish there was another way, so that non-smoker spouses and children wouldn't be penalized... so sad that people that never smoke a day in their life can end up with lung cancer. [/quote]
How many people end up with lung cancer who never smoke?

I have read that many of the statistics about so-called smoking related deaths are very skewed. For example, let's say that I was obese, 100 years old, had a bad heart, and had spent any amount of time with a smoker. If I was outside shoveling snow for an hour and dropped dead, my death would be counted among the "smoking related deaths."

There is another way other than laws. I wholly agree with Lil Red, because every law passed is more power to government; while knowledge is more power to the individual. Education is always preferable to more laws.

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1564097' date='Jun 8 2008, 11:24 PM']+J.M.J.+
i'm sorry, i voted it's never right to smoke around kids, but getting a ban into people's homes/cars is going too far. i think it's ridiculous that the local hospital has a ban on smoking even in their parking lot!

education is what is needed, education and help to quit smoking.

p.s. my husband's a smoker, but always outside, and never around me or baby girl. [/quote]

If a property owner, which includes a business owner, wants to ban smoking on his or her own property, that is great. If we want to "do something" to support no public smoking, we should do business with these people. But government smoking laws are a violation of property rights.

"Progressive lawmakers" (meaning socialist lawmakers) that want the government to be caretakers of public health are promoting fascism. Historically, socialism has killed more people than smoking.

[Alycin]

Again, I never said I was for a ban, I just said a reward system that actually worked would be good.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1573550' date='Jun 17 2008, 05:23 AM']There is another way other than laws. I wholly agree with Lil Red, because every law passed is more power to government; while knowledge is more power to the individual. Education is always preferable to more laws.
If a property owner, which includes a business owner, wants to ban smoking on his or her own property, that is great. [b]If we want to "do something" to support no public smoking, we should do business with these people[/b]. But government smoking laws are a violation of property rights.[/quote]
My uncle, a restaurant manager, was upset about the smoking ban, because he knows a good manager can take care of it without a law. I do agree that education is preferable, and restaurant patrons could request changes (why I bolded that part of what you said). Even so, I am glad I don't have to worry about my son or husband (who has asthma) being around smoke if we go to a restaurant. Though it seems a little weird that pubs have a smoking ban, too.

[prose]

Wow. Where I am, it isn't even a discussion. You can not smoke anywhere public. This includes bars, restaurants, and within 5 meters from any door, window, or even intake valves for buildings. There is a maximum fine of up to $5000.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='prose' post='1573901' date='Jun 17 2008, 06:24 PM']Wow. Where I am, it isn't even a discussion. You can not smoke anywhere public. This includes bars, restaurants, and within 5 meters from any door, window, or even intake valves for buildings. There is a maximum fine of up to $5000.[/quote]
That's how it is here, too. In some states, though, smoking is allowed if an establishment receives over 1/2 of their revenue from alcohol sales. Thus why I was slightly surprised when pubs were included, because I'd been used to that loophole. Not that it really affected me much, but anyway. Even the churches have to have the no smoking signs, which kinda makes me laugh.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='prose' post='1573901' date='Jun 17 2008, 11:24 AM']Wow. Where I am, it isn't even a discussion. You can not smoke anywhere public. This includes bars, restaurants, and within 5 meters from any door, window, or even intake valves for buildings. There is a maximum fine of up to $5000.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
lame.