Pope And Bush's Special Bond?

[Budge]

[i]For those of you who do not support Bush and the present admin...I'd dont support either party{probably most of the country now considering illegal immigration and the tanking economy, what do you think of THIS?[/i]

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[quote]For Bush and Benedict, a personal and political bond By Francis X. Rocca
President Bush welcomed Pope Benedict XVI to the White House on Wednesday (April 16). Benedict is only the second pope to visit the White House. Religion News Service photo by Kristoffer Tripplaar VATICAN CITY -- When President Bush pays a visit to Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican next Friday (June 13), it will be his sixth meeting with a pope, and his third meeting with Benedict in just over a year.

Never in U.S. history has a president consulted so often with the leader of the Catholic Church. Carl Anderson, a former Reagan aide who now heads the Knights of Columbus, calls it "remarkable."

"Less than 50 years ago," he said, "it was a question as to whether a Catholic should even be able to run for president."

Bush has emphasized his admiration for the papacy, and in particular for Benedict, whom he has called a "very smart, loving man." When Benedict arrived in Washington in April, Bush personally met the pope on the tarmac, the only time that Bush has so honored any dignitary.

Less obvious is how the pope views the president. It is not only Benedict's relatively shy personality that prevents him from being so demonstrative, but the customary reserve that his office imposes on its occupants.

"These are the kinds of cards that popes don't show," said the Rev. Thomas J. Reese, a senior fellow at Georgetown University's Woodstock Theological Center, and author of "Inside the Vatican."

Yet according to informed observers, there is reason to believe that Benedict, despite some important policy differences with the president (most notably over Iraq), feels a genuine affinity with Bush as both a man and a leader.

For the pope, part of the attraction may lie in Bush's life story.

"I'd imagine that he has respect for the president as a man who turned his life around, had a conversion experience, stopped drinking and started living a religious life," said Reese.

Benedict, who has warned against the increasing secularization of Europe and praised the prominent role of religion in American public life, is likely to appreciate a head of state who is "not afraid to express his faith as a Christian," said the Rev. Joseph Fessio, a former student of the pope who now runs Ignatius Press, Benedict's principal English-language publisher.

In the president, the pope finds a key supporter of the Catholic church's positions on such controversial questions as abortion, stem-cell research and same-sex marriage. Bush's arguments have frequently echoed Benedict's appeals to "natural law" and even employ the terms of Catholic social doctrine (despite the fact that the president is a Methodist).

Nowhere has the congruence of their thinking been clearer than at April's welcoming ceremony at the White House, when Bush cited Benedict's denunciation of the "dictatorship of relativism," and the pope noted the importance of American religiosity as inspiration for abolitionism and the civil rights movement.

To which Bush replied, "Thank you, Your Holiness. Awesome speech."

[b][size=3]"They could pretty much have given each other's speech," said William McGurn, Bush's former head speechwriter and a Catholic, who was present at the ceremony (but did not write the president's remarks).

Fessio agreed. "In terms of authentic, normative Catholic teaching, I don't see any area in which the pope and President Bush disagree," he said. [/size][/b]
The most notable case of disharmony between the two leaders was over the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger opposed at least as ardently as Pope John Paul II.

"But Iraq is not a matter of Catholic social teaching," Fessio said. "That was a prudential decision on whether or not the use of force was justified. The pope would be the first to tell you that good Catholics can disagree on that."

Likewise, Benedict's views on economics, taxation and government regulation (which are known to lie to the left of Bush's) are merely his personal opinions, not doctrine that he holds as binding on the faithful, Fessio said.

In any case, it would be uncharacteristically undiplomatic of any pope to let past differences get in the way of constructive collaboration with a world superpower.

"The Vatican knows how to agree and disagree with heads of state and work with them anyway," Reese said. "It's got a big agenda."

Among the agenda items likely to come up in next Friday's discussion, several observers agreed, is the ever worsening plight of Christians in the Middle East, especially Iraq.

"As horrified as the Vatican may have been that we went in there, my sense is that they don't want us to leave until we've fixed things," McGurn said. "My suspicion is that the Vatican fears that we're going to skedaddle and leave the population in the lurch."[/quote]

[Justin86]

The Budge returns...

Exactly what is your agenda in this topic? Just come out and say it.

[Budge]

To get you all to THINK.

One thing that got me out of the Catholic Church, was reading about all the schmoozing with the UN, and having to teach little RE kiddies {I refused} that they should be good world citizens and love the UNITED NATIONS.

This is fornication with kings.

Bush isnt exactly known as this country's best president. We got Mr. Almost crossed the aisles CFR, and Mr. CFR, Wannabe Communist/with Race Baiter Pastor, running on the other side.

[Justin86]

[quote name='Budge' post='1562203' date='Jun 7 2008, 11:59 PM']To get you all to THINK.[/quote]
About what? That the Pope and Bush agree on the pro-life issue? I think we all might like that one.

[quote]One thing that got me out of the Catholic Church, was reading about all the schmoozing with the UN, and having to teach little RE kiddies {I refused} that they should be good world citizens and love the UNITED NATIONS.[/quote]
Since when has "loving the United Nations" ever been a teaching of the Church? The Vatican isn't even a member of the United Nations, and has taken repeated heat from its members for refusing to give out condoms in Africa.

Before you post lies you could at least find out what we might actually believe.

[Winchester]

I heard Bush and the Pope played beach volleyball with ex-Nazis hiding in Argentina!

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1562294' date='Jun 7 2008, 11:43 AM']I heard Bush and the Pope played beach volleyball with ex-Nazis hiding in Argentina![/quote]

Unfortunately, we were never told the score.

[Budge]

[quote]I heard Bush and the Pope played beach volleyball with ex-Nazis hiding in Argentina![/quote]

Maybe they invited Chavez...[shorter trip for him]



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SMOOCH!

[Winchester]

[quote name='Paladin D' post='1562336' date='Jun 7 2008, 10:55 AM']Unfortunately, we were never told the score. [/quote]
They don't keep score--they're all on the same team! They're gearing up to play against the AlQaeda Fighting Camels in a tournament to decide who gets to take over the continent of Africa.

[CatherineM]

That picture makes Chavez look like he's checking out the Pope's ring to see if it's real.

[Winchester]

Actually, he's checking a mole that "started looking iffy." That's what the whole trip was about.

[Justin86]

Budge, do you honestly think you're ever going to convert any of us?

[Winchester]

Yes, she does. I think it's her most endearing trait.

[Justin86]

Not her cutiest, I would argue, however.

[The Bus Station]

Budge is a girl?

[Justin86]

I was a bit stunned to hear that too.