Carrie Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 I second what Tina, Flowery, Ice and Lil Red have said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 Anytime we choose anything other than God Almighty, be it ourselves, a sin or another person, we are ultimately rejecting God, and choosing hell. If we change our mind before our particular judgement, God will forgive us. The chioce is irrevocable and final. This is NOT a rehearsal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 You have no idea how many times I get that from honest Catholics. All they know is that we have to be good enough and then maybe God will forgive us. Granted, on a theological level the Church may not be wrong in this area, but on a practical level, her children are not being led to the basics! God loves and has forgiven us! Nothing we ever do can change this fact! What? Not true! Granted, on a theological level the Church may not be wrong in this area, but on a practical level, her children are not being led to the basics! LOL! Catholics who bask in the fullness of Grace are really concerned about mere basics! That's like living in a millionaire's kitchen and being concerned about what the bare minimum you need to eat to survive!tina. I want you to say either yes or no definitively that they are or are not forgiven. I know it may not sound like a big deal, but it possibly shows a lot that you didn't answer directly.Just because it's a 'basic' question you have, doesn't mean it's a basic question for others. Nor does it mean that the answer you came up with for this 'question' is an accurate answer! God loves and has forgiven us! Nothing we ever do can change this fact! That's inaccurate. God loves us, and is offering His forgiveness. All we have to do is accept it. That's why Scripture warns us about recieving Faith in vain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted February 29, 2004 Author Share Posted February 29, 2004 It appears the CC teaches that you have to do something to be forgiven after all. How sad. Anywho, Tina didn't answer my question straight forwardly. She said that the souls in hell have rejected God's forgiveness. Pretty ambiguous. Did she mean they rejected his forgiveness when they were indeed objectively forgiven? Or did they reject asking and thereby never recieved forgiveness at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 they didn't RECEIVE it, it was granted them by God. it's like if i mail a package to someone as a gift, if they don't sign for it it gets sent back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted February 29, 2004 Share Posted February 29, 2004 If someone says to you "I forgive you." And you say "I don't accept that" are you forgiven? Forgiveness is a two part deal here. From one end, you may be forgiven, but on your end, you're out of luck. You can't be forgiven unless you realize your mistake, even if the other party is perfectly ready to forgive you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeagol Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most, our one fellow and brother who most needed a friend yet had not a single one, the one sinner among us all who had the highest and clearest right to every Christian's daily and nightly prayers, for the plain and unassailable reason that his was the first and greatest need, he being among sinners the supremest? - Mark Twain's Autobiography Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 I've heard a couple testimonies of people going to hell, but then being delivered from it. One of them was so shaking up, he couldn't even describe how horrible it was. He also said, that he wasn't even in the far depths of hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Pal, Can you give an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted March 2, 2004 Share Posted March 2, 2004 I have no idea what the guy's name was, but he was a guest on TBN, my family had it on so I decided to watch a little. Well, this guy used to be an athiest with a family and kids. To make a long story short, he died (forgot how) and went to hell. He tried to describe what these demon-like creatures did to him, but he couldn't put in words and started to cry when he tried to. He did say one of the things they did was give him pain, biting him and such, since thats how they got their pleasure. He said he doesn't exactly know how he knew this, but somehow... he knew he wasn't in the depths of hell, somewhat like on the very outer rim of it. Then he said some other stuff I don't quite remember... then he went on to say that he shouted "Jesus save me!" over and over, till Jesus came down and took him out of there. Of course, there is much more he said in greater detail, but that's the generalization of the story. I'm not sure how true it is, but it's worth noting I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 It appears the CC teaches that you have to do something to be forgiven after all. How sad. dairygirl, can you defend this statement for me please? especially the "how sad" part. thanks, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Granted, on a theological level the Church may not be wrong in this area, but on a practical level, her children are not being led to the basics! God loves and has forgiven us! Nothing we ever do can change this fact! Do you mean that no one is in hell, or there is no hell? If someone rejects God's forgiveness, then where do they go? If God forgives them for rejecting Him and then they reject that, then what? God bless. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 It appears the CC teaches that you have to do something to be forgiven after all. How sad. So do you believe that we can just sin and sin and sin, and then we go to Heaven even so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 3, 2004 Author Share Posted March 3, 2004 If someone rejects God's forgiveness, then where do they go? If God forgives them for rejecting Him and then they reject that, then what? What makes one "saved" is their works of charity. Being forgiven is simply God calling us. And it is nice to know that we are forgiven. You can be forgiven and still be in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted March 3, 2004 Share Posted March 3, 2004 Those in Hell have rejected God's forgiveness and all mercy that God showed them. key word: rejected 1033 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining seperated from him for ever by our own free choice. I've heard some priests say that if you are dying and havent' been to confession in several years, and say on your dying breath, forgive me Lord I have sinned, they are sometimes saved from the fires of hell, depending on the kind of life they lived. But this quote to me explains it all!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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