Homosexuals

[rckllnknny]

?

[goldenchild17]

Depends on which ones we're talking about. Marriage? yes. Legal adoption? I'd think so. Make them drink from a separate water fountain? probably not necessary.

[prose]

Marriage is not a right.

Adoption is not a right.

What legal rights are you talking about?

No human should be denied their rights.

Now the problem is defining exactly what anyone's rights are.

[rckllnknny]

um i would probably feel safe to say....
EQUAL rights.

[goldenchild17]

[quote]Marriage is not a right.

Adoption is not a right.

What legal rights are you talking about?

No human should be denied their rights.

Now the problem is defining exactly what anyone's rights are.[/quote]

I'm not saying they are necessarily, but when the arguments come up in public circles, those two are often touted as rights. I'm just saying (rights or not) they are not entitled to them.

Edited June 4, 2008 by goldenchild17

[rckllnknny]

yes denying them marriage IS the same as making them drink from a different fountain.

[goldenchild17]

okay

Edited June 4, 2008 by goldenchild17

[StColette]

[quote name='rckllnknny' post='1557485' date='Jun 4 2008, 01:01 PM']yes denying them marriage IS the same as making them drink from a different fountain.[/quote]

[Alycin]

Marriage is a gift from God, it should not be a state issue at all, and it certainly isn't a "right" everyone should be entitled to.

If you're talking about the tax benefits and all the other junk that comes with marriage... yeah, I think that stuff should be done away with.

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

Every human has the ability to get married. A priest chooses to give up that ability by becoming ordained, a Brother or Sister does the same, by taking their vows. A homosexual gives up their ability by living in their life of sin. Homosexual behavior is outside that of the Natural Law. Marriage is a Natural Law, as is the concept of Adoption.

Everybody has something wrong with them outside the 'norm' of perfect creation that is. Someone may struggle significantly with pornography, and as such they may choose to not conduct business on the internet, because of the severe temptation they have. Another person may have something else.

For another example: I have a vision defect, now I can live my life wandering around bumping into things, driving a car and possibly hurting people, and say "This is how God made me, so accept me for who I am.", or I wear glasses, and realize that if I want to drive, and see clearly then I need to wear them.

Someone who has same sex attraction, regardless of what the reason it exists needs to realize that their defect has impacts on society and morality that causes harm. If someone who has same sex attraction chooses to live a homosexual lifestyle then they choose to give up marriage, adoption ect.

Do they still have the right to be respected as a human? YES
Do they still have a life that is sacred to God, and should be protected? YES
Do they still have the right to free movement in a society and have a job? YES
Do they have the right to have a place to live and food to eat? YES
Do they have the right to seek a prosperous life? YES
Do they have the right to have children and be married? NO, they have the ability but they reject it by their lifestyle.

[rizz_loves_jesus]

[quote name='rckllnknny' post='1557485' date='Jun 4 2008, 01:01 PM']yes denying them marriage IS the same as making them drink from a different fountain.[/quote]

How so? Using the same public facilities as people of different ethnicities is a right declared by the Supreme Court, marriage is not. If it were, anyone would be able to marry anyone, including family members, children, animals... making marriage a right creates a slippery slope.

[salterrae]

JM + JT

No, denying them marriage would be similar to not letting them drink from water fountains period.

But that's besdie the point.

[Jesus_lol]

i dont really agree with the lack of a marriage like state for homosexuals, i think they deserve one even if it is not sanctioned by a church.

but i had a thought, maybe the keeping away marriage for homosexuals, is like not letting the kid with the flu use the water fountain.

[prose]

No one has the "right" to be married.

However, I feel that homosexuals should have the same financial rights as heterosexual couples.

That doesn't mean they have the right to become one before God. It means they should have the same rights as anyone when filing their taxes.

[Alycin]

[quote name='prose' post='1557590' date='Jun 4 2008, 02:02 PM']No one has the "right" to be married.

However, I feel that homosexuals should have the same financial rights as heterosexual couples.

That doesn't mean they have the right to become one before God. It means they should have the same rights as anyone when filing their taxes.[/quote]


I agree. I also think that if someone is dying in the hospital and their life partner of 40 years isn't allowed to be with them or make decisions like a spouse, that's messed up.