Death Penalty

[Alycin]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1561083' date='Jun 6 2008, 01:08 PM']I don't agree with capital punishment in cases where innocent are put to death, or racism was the motivation in convicting the criminal. I only agree with it in cases where there is no question about the conviction, about the murderer, about the crimes. In the example of McDuff, I saw it is absolutely necessary. Texas killed McDuff. McDuff can no longer kill. We are safe from him. I see it as a case of self-defense.

I used to work in law-enforcement. One of my co-workers, a warrants officer, had two beautfiul daughters. One night, while she was out, a sick, perverted neighbor broke into their house. He tried to rape the 14 year old, but she put up a fight, and was cut open and gutted like a fish. When my friend, the warrants officer arrived at her house, everything had been turned upside down, and there was blood everywhere. She found her daughter's mutilated body. Why was it okay for her daughter to get murdered so mercilessly and then it's WRONG to punish the murderer??? When murder hits home, I don't care what anybody else says. I think God understands how the victims families feel. This guy went up for parole in 2001. He was let out of prison. Can you believe it? He's out to do this very thing again!!! I think they should have put him to death, because I think it's pretty foolish to let a butcher like this out into society. I don't know if it deters murder, but it deters the convicted murderer! They will NEVER KILL again! They will NEVER DESTROY families again! And maybe...just maybe...God uses capital punishment to punish these monsters! We don't know, do we???[/quote]


I've made it clear to my parents that if I am ever murdered I want it to be known to the judge and jury that I don't want my killer to have the death penalty. They've known this since I was about 12.

I know not everyone's like that... but my reasoning is, I want people to have as much time as possible to reconcile with God.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561079' date='Jun 6 2008, 01:05 PM']You're right. There are more options. None of them are very pleasant. Chemical restraints comes to mind...

I've said it before that people don't seem to care about the people inside the prisons being safe and they don't account for the actions neccessary to keep those inside the prisons safe. Violent offenders don't stop just because they are in prison.

I would extend the death penalty to rapists, pedophiles and gang/mafia leaders. I'd rather it not be called a penalty, since I think of it as a means to protect society rather than a deterrant, which it certainly is. There is a rather foolish comment that it's not deterring people in Texas. I say that comment is foolish because it makes the assumption that since murder continues in Texas that the death penalty doesn't discourage murder. It strains reason to assume that not one person has avoided murdering someone out of fear of being put to death. I reckon most people don't get past the idea of prison. Nonetheless, the primary function of the death penalty, in my mind, is to protect society. Hence my idea of extending it to other dangerous criminals.[/quote]


I can't remember what I was watching the other night, it was a show kinda like 60 minutes, but they were talking about how there is a prison that is only for pedophiles or maybe they said repeat offenders. I don't remember. I do know that pedophiles usually get beat up, raped, etc in prison because that is considered the "worst" crime.

On another note, to my knowledge, there are different "levels" of prisons and some are for much worse criminals, they have better security, tougher guards, and what-not. So to think that everyone gets put in the same place, to think that some psychotic person that has brutally slaughtered a hundred people gets put in the same living quarters with someone who committed grand theft auto is faulty thinking... to my understanding. I could be wrong.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561132' date='Jun 6 2008, 01:53 PM']On another note, to my knowledge, there are different "levels" of prisons and some are for much worse criminals, they have better security, tougher guards, and what-not. So to think that everyone gets put in the same place, to think that some psychotic person that has brutally slaughtered a hundred people gets put in the same living quarters with someone who committed grand theft auto is faulty thinking... to my understanding. I could be wrong.[/quote] There is no escape proof prison. Prison populations are a mix of violent and non violent individuals. Prison guards are injured and attacked on a regular basis, regardless of "levels" and "toughness." Psychosis does not mark someone out for isolation from the rest of the prisoners, and it certainly doesn't mean guards are kept from contact with the individual.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561132' date='Jun 6 2008, 01:53 PM']I can't remember what I was watching the other night, it was a show kinda like 60 minutes, but they were talking about how there is a prison that is only for pedophiles[/quote]All pedophiles should be executed, no exceptions.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561150' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:05 PM']There is no escape proof prison. Prison populations are a mix of violent and non violent individuals. Prison guards are injured and attacked on a regular basis, regardless of "levels" and "toughness." Psychosis does not mark someone out for isolation from the rest of the prisoners, and it certainly doesn't mean guards are kept from contact with the individual.[/quote]


What are the statistics on escaping prisoners? I can't remember hearing about any recently, or actually ever, but I have a bad memory, so if you can find some statistics that say that prisoners escape on a more than almost-never basis, that would peak my interest.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561153' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:06 PM']All pedophiles should be executed, no exceptions.[/quote]


1) That's your opinion.

2) I certainly hope you mean all pedophiles that are actually offenders. In the same way that there are homosexuals that have never acted on there perversions, there are also pedophiles that don't act on their perversions.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561162' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:15 PM']What are the statistics on escaping prisoners? I can't remember hearing about any recently, or actually ever, but I have a bad memory, so if you can find some statistics that say that prisoners escape on a more than almost-never basis, that would peak my interest.[/quote] I reckon them rare. But they're possible.
[url="http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/escapes/escapes.html"]http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/escapes/escapes.html[/url]

Google it.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561165' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:18 PM']1) That's your opinion.

2) I certainly hope you mean all pedophiles that are actually offenders. In the same way that there are homosexuals that have never acted on there perversions, there are also pedophiles that don't act on their perversions.[/quote]
That's the best opinion out there. Pedophiles are predators. You want to stop a predator, you put it down. You don't give it a slap on the wrist or cage it. You put it down. The current practice ain't working.

If they don't offend, we don't know they're pedophiles, do we? If they have the disorder and it's discovered without them offending, they should be quarantined. Locked up permanently, but humanely.

I don't believe in playing roulette with children. I believe in zero risk when dealing with these predators.

I also believe we should, ata all costs, locate the members of NAMBLA and deal with them capitally.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561169' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:26 PM']If they don't offend, we don't know they're pedophiles, do we?[/quote]

Uhhmm actually, you'd be surprised. There are people out there who are open about it and talk about it, cooperate with psychologists and studies and what not. It *is* admittedly scary to know that they have the potential to attack a child, but, I don't believe in punishing someone before they've committed a crime. I agree that NAMBLA should be shut down and those who have broken laws should be dealt with to the letter of the law--nothing more, nothing less.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561168' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:19 PM']I reckon them rare. But they're possible.
[url="http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/escapes/escapes.html"]http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/escapes/escapes.html[/url]

Google it.[/quote]


The [url="http://www.slate.com/id/1007001/"]most recent article[/url] I could find said that about one half of 1% of prisoners escape.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561124' date='Jun 6 2008, 12:48 PM']I've made it clear to my parents that if I am ever murdered I want it to be known to the judge and jury that I don't want my killer to have the death penalty. They've known this since I was about 12.

I know not everyone's like that... but my reasoning is, I want people to have as much time as possible to reconcile with God.[/quote]


That's very noble of you. What if the killer gets out of prison and murders someone else?

[Autumn Dusk]

there's a difference between being killed and calling that person a murder and being murdered viciously. Many of these people are too sick to function. Some are so psycopathic and mentally ill that no medicine could even get them to possibly reconsile their sins. And they affect other people wherever they go.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561179' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:42 PM']Uhhmm actually, you'd be surprised. There are people out there who are open about it and talk about it, cooperate with psychologists and studies and what not. It *is* admittedly scary to know that they have the potential to attack a child, but, I don't believe in punishing someone before they've committed a crime. I agree that NAMBLA should be shut down and those who have broken laws should be dealt with to the letter of the law--nothing more, nothing less.[/quote]
No I wouldn't be. We don't know. Precisely because of the protections afforded one when consulting a doctor. I reckon there are those who seek treatment, but to let them go free is to play roulette with the innocent and I don't believe in that.

My problem is with the letter of the law in this regard. It's resulted in far too much needless suffering. I'd probably be happy with life in prison without the possibility of parole [s]or food[/s]. But too many bleeding hearts want to let them go, or not put them in in the first place. Ask the victims of Couey what they think of letting pedophiles live. You might have trouble with the last ones because they're all dead.

[Alycin]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1561193' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:54 PM']That's very noble of you. What if the killer gets out of prison and murders someone else?[/quote]


That chances of that are next to nothing. See my last post in this thread.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561186' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:51 PM']The [url="http://www.slate.com/id/1007001/"]most recent article[/url] I could find said that about one half of 1% of prisoners escape.[/quote]
And there are how many prisoners?