Alycin Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1565649' date='Jun 9 2008, 10:31 PM']i get it. i understand the normative, and i totally agree with it in my head. However, this issue is still too subjective for me, and i don't think i am the only one. My path to holiness and a pure heart is very, very, very long.[/quote] I understand that, and I understand you and I... what's the word... croutons I lost it... ummm... I'll get back to you. It's similar to 'approve' but not the same meaning... grrr... My problem is with people who put their politics before the Church, or who try to declare they know better than the Church, or that the Church isn't capable of saying what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 From a Church doctrine perspective, the caveat is left because historically there have been times when it was safer to execute than to hold a prisoner. that is no longer true today. And as its been pointed out, its cheaper to keep them alive than to execute. As far as the safety of guards in ad-seg units, I spent seven years working on products to keep guards safer (well, cleaner) and as probably one of of the few (and I'm guessing only) member of phatmass that has been in maximum security and supermax prisons, the ad seg units are far far safer for guards than gen pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 Should I remind you that it is rude, and uncalled for to replace the words of another with "blah blah blah" and makes it hard for one to take you seriously when you play games like that. The quotes provided are stating traditional catholic teaching on the matter of Capital Punishment, should I also remind you something that has been taught for so long is not a matter of opinion, but official teaching, which the CCC upholds, you simply do not grasp that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1565673' date='Jun 9 2008, 11:40 PM']Should I remind you that it is rude, and uncalled for to replace the words of another with "blah blah blah" and makes it hard for one to take you seriously when you play games like that. The quotes provided are stating traditional catholic teaching on the matter of Capital Punishment, should I also remind you something that has been taught for so long is not a matter of opinion, but official teaching, which the CCC upholds, you simply do not grasp that.[/quote] Could it be possible that she substituted "blah blah blah" so that your lengthy (but very informative) post wouldn't drag down the screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1565673' date='Jun 9 2008, 10:40 PM']Should I remind you that it is rude, and uncalled for to replace the words of another with "blah blah blah" and makes it hard for one to take you seriously when you play games like that. The quotes provided are stating traditional catholic teaching on the matter of Capital Punishment, should I also remind you something that has been taught for so long is not a matter of opinion, but official teaching, which the CCC upholds, you simply do not grasp that.[/quote] If a quote is extra long, I erase it and write "blah blah blah" or, in the case of a huge picture, "humungo image"... don't worry, I'm not singling you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1565660' date='Jun 9 2008, 11:33 PM']I understand that, and I understand you and I... what's the word... croutons I lost it... ummm... I'll get back to you. It's similar to 'approve' but not the same meaning... grrr... My problem is with people who put their politics before the Church, or who try to declare they know better than the Church, or that the Church isn't capable of saying what it means.[/quote] Word. St. John Bosco once said "My politics are those of the Our Father." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1565677' date='Jun 9 2008, 09:41 PM']Could it be possible that she substituted "blah blah blah" so that your lengthy (but very informative) post wouldn't drag down the screen?[/quote] Nope, not that I see. If it was to undo the lengthiness of the post there was still no need to have "quoted" and thus modified the post. When a simple reply without quotes would have done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1565693' date='Jun 9 2008, 11:47 PM']Nope, not that I see. If it was to undo the lengthiness of the post there was still no need to have "quoted" and thus modified the post. When a simple reply without quotes would have done that.[/quote] Wow. Too bad you were so offended. Edited June 10, 2008 by kujo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1565693' date='Jun 9 2008, 10:47 PM']Nope, not that I see. If it was to undo the lengthiness of the post there was still no need to have "quoted" and thus modified the post. When a simple reply without quotes would have done that.[/quote] Oh please. Can we get back on topic? Or is it easier for you to shift the attention to something else so that no one pays attention to your weak argument? ((And for the record, I always hit the reply button with a quote if I am replying to what someone has said specifically--it helps avoid confusion, and it's what it is there for.)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1565660' date='Jun 9 2008, 09:33 PM']I understand that, and I understand you and I... what's the word... croutons I lost it... ummm... I'll get back to you. It's similar to 'approve' but not the same meaning... grrr... My problem is with people who put their politics before the Church, or who try to declare they know better than the Church, or that the Church isn't capable of saying what it means.[/quote] I do not place politics before the Church. I have merely stated the traditional teaching of the Church on the matter of capital punishment. It doesn't matter if I am being singled out or not with "blah" its rather rude, and I would ask that you cease doing so, at least to my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1565706' date='Jun 9 2008, 11:52 PM']I do not place politics before the Church. I have merely stated the traditional teaching of the Church on the matter of capital punishment. It doesn't matter if I am being singled out or not with "blah" its rather rude, and I would ask that you cease doing so, at least to my posts.[/quote] Have you addressed the section of the CCC she quoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 There are other people who think that "tradition" is more important than submitting to the current teachings of the church... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1565718' date='Jun 9 2008, 11:56 PM']There are other people who think that "tradition" is more important than submitting to the current teachings of the church...[/quote] Rad-trads???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1565718' date='Jun 9 2008, 08:56 PM']There are other people who think that "tradition" is more important than submitting to the current teachings of the church...[/quote] Anything contrary to Apostolic Tradition is by definition heretical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1565725' date='Jun 9 2008, 11:58 PM']Anything contrary to Apostolic Tradition is by definition heretical.[/quote] You know that's not what she means, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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