Wearing Veils

[Maria Faustina]

[quote name='SaintIrene' post='1562401' date='Jun 7 2008, 12:18 PM']Oh my, I just realized that there are 2 Maria Faustina's in this thread! I was wondering how she kept changing her avatar back and forth! [/quote]

yup, I'm the newer one. I didn't realize there was someone with that name until after I signed up. my bad. sorry for the confusion.

[Maria_Faustina]

Lol don't apologize! I'm pretty sure we're both allowed to love St. Faustina and want her name as our username. I don't mind. Actually, when I first saw your name on here, I was like, OH! Maria Faustina, yay! Oh.... she doesn't have an underscore in hers. That's prettier.... I guess I just didn't know you didn't need an underscore to have a space!

[quote name='Deus_te_Amat' post='1562115' date='Jun 7 2008, 01:57 AM']Maria_Faustina, I'm kind of in the same situation with you.--No one at my church veils. One or two older women wear hats, but no veils.

I would smell of elderberries it up and veil with you this weekend, but the woman that gave me the veil took it back to put a clip in it. She's planning on mailing it when I go to college.... I think it would also be hard to play the flute with a veil on... Talk about doubly conspicuous!

I'll pray for you though, if you decide to do it. [/quote]

Oh. Well fine, dON't do it with us. Just kidding. I'm glad you're planning on using it next year! (At least, I'm assuming, since you're getting it back then). I'm pretty sure there will be other girls wearing it at BC, but I didn't think about veiling and doing something else in the Mass, like flute or lectoring. Yes, that would be quite conspicuous! Then I would distract people even more. It's silly that that should even be an issue. Oh well. And yes, I decided to. I'm sure it will be fine! And/or pretty awesome, too.

[DiscerningSoul]

I wore mine today, and I wore a skirt also LOL

I am going to veil every Sunday, at every Mass. I just think about how it is a wonderful simple statement of affection to Mary, holy obedience to the bible, and a symbol of our catholic faith, and for our love to Jesus and his Mother.

I LOVE MASS!!!

[jmj]

This thread is an inspiration for me. I have a variety of veils/covers, but don't have much gumption to wear them. However, I will be able to do some Adoration this week () so I plan on wearing a scarf-y type thing that I have. Ease in gently, then bring out the mantilla.

I wore a mantilla for my wedding and loved it. I just wish I wasn't so shy. :/

[Laudem Gloriae]

Go for it jmj! Like I wrote in my post, I am one of about 3 in the mass I attend and there may be a few others at the other masses I'm not sure. But do it for the love of God as a love sacrifice and it will be easier. I too was very unsure and scared at first but then after what I read about the why of the veil and the misunderstanding of people who think it's "old hat" or out of mode or worse "not allowed" or against church policy changed my mind. If I can find that article by Fr. Robert J. Fox who wrote a little booklet on the wearing of the Veil you too would jump right in and not be afraid.

My church is the biggest in my city so it is used a lot for the diocese celebrations and ordinations, etc. so needless to say there are hundreds of people it seems and wearing it doesn't bother me a bit now! I have always been to just blend in, not call attention to myself but in certain things like this and being a witness for God, you have to be out there!

Wearing the veil at mass or adoration doesn't have the connotations that the feminists or modern types want to place on it. Be like Mother Angelica! She used to say she liked to make people uncomfortable or prick their conscience for good things regarding God and things like this! She was delighted that the feminists and modern people were outraged that she had the nerve or audacity to switch back to the "old, archaic, out of mode" full traditional habit.

Just wear you're "pre-bridal veil" (if you are planning to be a Bride of Christ!) for your Beloved, Jesus, and let the others and their ill-informed opinions just hang! Jesus is the only one that matters. You should only worry about what GOD thinks about you, be concerned with HIS opinion only! Not mankind's. Our Blessed Virgin will be happy your are adorning yourself in this beautiful way for Her beloved, adorable Son too!

[Maria Faustina]

I have a question. I am 14. Am I too young to wear a veil to Mass or Adoration?

Edited June 9, 2008 by Maria Faustina

[jmj]

[quote name='Laudem Gloriae' post='1563664' date='Jun 8 2008, 07:03 PM']Go for it jmj! Like I wrote in my post, I am one of about 3 in the mass I attend and there may be a few others at the other masses I'm not sure. But do it for the love of God as a love sacrifice and it will be easier. I too was very unsure and scared at first but then after what I read about the why of the veil and the misunderstanding of people who think it's "old hat" or out of mode or worse "not allowed" or against church policy changed my mind. If I can find that article by Fr. Robert J. Fox who wrote a little booklet on the wearing of the Veil you too would jump right in and not be afraid.

My church is the biggest in my city so it is used a lot for the diocese celebrations and ordinations, etc. so needless to say there are hundreds of people it seems and wearing it doesn't bother me a bit now! I have always been to just blend in, not call attention to myself but in certain things like this and being a witness for God, you have to be out there!

Wearing the veil at mass or adoration doesn't have the connotations that the feminists or modern types want to place on it. Be like Mother Angelica! She used to say she liked to make people uncomfortable or prick their conscience for good things regarding God and things like this! She was delighted that the feminists and modern people were outraged that she had the nerve or audacity to switch back to the "old, archaic, out of mode" full traditional habit.

Just wear you're "pre-bridal veil" (if you are planning to be a Bride of Christ!) for your Beloved, Jesus, and let the others and their ill-informed opinions just hang! Jesus is the only one that matters. You should only worry about what GOD thinks about you, be concerned with HIS opinion only! Not mankind's. Our Blessed Virgin will be happy your are adorning yourself in this beautiful way for Her beloved, adorable Son too![/quote]

Aww, thank you LG! My parish is the Diocese's Cathedral, and every now and then I see someone veiled. I think if I could just get up to go to the early Sunday Mass, I wouldn't feel so out of place as opposed to the Saturday Vigil or the later Sunday Masses. Ideally I'd like to wear a veil or some form of a headcovering all the time. I did cover full time last summer for a while, but I ended up giving it up. I'm not sure if that's where Christ is calling me.

I may have to Google for the article you mentioned. I have seen resources about why to cover online, but some of them fall into the extremist position regarding modesty or are not Catholic. I would like some good Catholic resources at the moment (time to check out the other links in the thread).

A couple of questions, if I may.

I did wear my mantilla for Easter Sunday, but I tied the ends of mine under my hair just to feel less awkward (I hope that's clear, I can provide a picture if needed). I assume as long as it's on your head, it's okay? I have a scarf that I can tie in the same fashion, I think I bought it from a Jewish website.

Second, what do you mean by "[i]Wearing the veil at mass or adoration doesn't have the connotations that the feminists or modern types want to place on it.[/i]" from your post?

Thank you again!

[DiscerningSoul]

[quote name='Maria Faustina' post='1563750' date='Jun 8 2008, 10:07 PM']I have a question. I am 14. Am I too young to wear a veil to Mass or Adoration?[/quote]

Your never too young.

[DiscerningSoul]

[quote name='DiscerningSoul' post='1561733' date='Jun 6 2008, 11:31 PM'][url="http://www.catholicplanet.com/veil/index.htm"]http://www.catholicplanet.com/veil/index.htm[/url]
[url="http://adorotedevote.blogspot.com/2006/05/to-veil-or-not-to-veil_24.html"]http://adorotedevote.blogspot.com/2006/05/...to-veil_24.html[/url]
[url="http://web2.airmail.net/carlsch/MaterDei/Homilies/homily040523.htm"]http://web2.airmail.net/carlsch/MaterDei/H...omily040523.htm[/url]
[url="http://www.fisheaters.com/theveil.html"]http://www.fisheaters.com/theveil.html[/url]
** [url="http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/12/chapel-veil-campaign.html"]http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/12...l-campaign.html[/url] **
[url="http://catholicrestorationists.wordpress.com/2007/06/29/theology-of-the-chapel-veil/"]http://catholicrestorationists.wordpress.c...he-chapel-veil/[/url]
[url="http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2007/04/veils-and-hats-in-church.html"]http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2007/04/v...-in-church.html[/url]
[url="http://www.canonlaw.info/2006/09/vatican-ii-canon-1262-and-chapel-veils.html"]http://www.canonlaw.info/2006/09/vatican-i...apel-veils.html[/url]
Funny but look at #1 Yes! [url="http://aestasultima.blogspot.com/2007/06/on-lighter-note.html"]http://aestasultima.blogspot.com/2007/06/o...ghter-note.html[/url]
[url="http://www.latin-mass-society.org/wearmantilla.htm"]http://www.latin-mass-society.org/wearmantilla.htm[/url]
[url="http://culbreath.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/latin-mass-faq/"]http://culbreath.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/latin-mass-faq/[/url]
[url="http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/headcovering.htm"]http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/headcovering.htm[/url][/quote]

[Laudem Gloriae]

I meant by feminists or modern types by what some people have said to me and others who wear the veil that it's not done anymore, it's old fashioned, it went out of style years ago, it's against church law (huh?), get with the times - it's 2008 (no kidding!), it's a sign of women's slavery (what???!!!!), it's the way the male run church controls women (WHAT!!!???) and equally idiotic, stupid and low IQ type things.

So maybe there's only these weirdos in my area! But if you hear some of this, don't even begin to listen to them!

[VeniteAdoremus]

Yup, people are weird.

Puella Paschalis and I attended a Novus Ordo mass last Saturday. It was the start-off of a meeting day for a Dutch group promoting Latin liturgy (this mass, also, was in Latin, except for the readings and homily). I think we were the two youngest females around, and I might have been the youngest all-over. We both wore our white mantillas (PPs mantilla is AWESOME where mine is only rather cool, I'm afraid), and afterwards at least two women came up to ask PP where they could get a veil, a priest said we looked "rather pretty" (which is much coming from a Dutchman ) and an elderly gentleman remarked that it warmed his heart to see young people observing the older customs. No negative remarks were heard whatsoever.

I think we might call it a success all around.

[johnnydigit]

just went to a talk at a Theology of the Body group. i think from it we could say that a feminist is the result of an imbalance of femininity. we've lost the sense of what true masculinity and femininity is, and the result are women who, from the lack of proper masculine men around, want to take up the masculine traits that weren't naturally intended for them. this is taken to such an extreme that they become negatives - overly aggressive, butch, twisted, and well, other disorders of sexuality.

likewise, men take on traits from the lack of proper femininity around them, to an extreme and negative level - overly sensitive, overly feminine, fairy-like, or the polar opposite. motherless, fatherless, moral-less, sexual confusion, rainbow stickers, oh-my!

hence, "we don't want to wear veils because it makes us look feminine!" uh, you are woman, you are feminine. be proud of it!

sorry for the political detour, it helped me to organize what i've learned.

[Laudem Gloriae]

I guess I should have added that I got more positive remarks than negative or ridiculous ones and just some looks of interest. But I wanted that poster to know who was a bit shy that if she encountered stupid remarks like I've heard, not to be hurt or intimidated by them or to think she is the only one who has but to just ignore them and know Jesus, Mary and all of Heaven are smiling on her!

[EWIE]

[quote name='johnnydigit' post='1564618' date='Jun 9 2008, 10:49 AM']the result are women who, from the lack of proper masculine men around, want to take up the masculine traits that weren't naturally intended for them. this is taken to such an extreme that they become negatives - overly aggressive, butch, twisted, and well, other disorders of sexuality.

men take on traits from the lack of proper femininity around them, to an extreme and negative level - overly sensitive, overly feminine, fairy-like, or the polar opposite. motherless, fatherless, moral-less, sexual confusion, rainbow stickers, oh-my![/quote]


I wish to register [b]STRONG OBJECTIONS[/b][u][/u] to the inuendos implied with the use of the phrases,
butch, twisted, other disorder of sexuality, fairy-like, rainbow stickers etc. etc.
Unless the writer of the message has the education to warrant the authority to post his [b]opinion[/b] as fact, then it should be noted that this is in fact only his [b]OPINION[/b]. And even if he has such authority, it is not loving to use such derogatory adjectives regarding our brothers and sisters, nor is this, in my understanding, the appropriate place to be voicing such predjudice.

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1564550' date='Jun 9 2008, 05:59 PM']Yup, people are weird.

Puella Paschalis and I attended a Novus Ordo mass last Saturday. It was the start-off of a meeting day for a Dutch group promoting Latin liturgy (this mass, also, was in Latin, except for the readings and homily). I think we were the two youngest females around, and I might have been the youngest all-over. We both wore our white mantillas (PPs mantilla is AWESOME where mine is only rather cool, I'm afraid), and afterwards at least two women came up to ask PP where they could get a veil, a priest said we looked "rather pretty" (which is much coming from a Dutchman ) and an elderly gentleman remarked that it warmed his heart to see young people observing the older customs. No negative remarks were heard whatsoever.

I think we might call it a success all around.[/quote]

God rules
(off-topic: Ingrid is younger than you, I think)

There's a lady in my parish who always has a veil on in church - solid black material which she has over her head, pins at the back of her neck and then again under her chin. She's also the loveliest, gentlest and most charming lady around. In a culture where hardly any woman wears skirts and almost all (and I firmly include myself here) have a tendency to be rather...er...unnecessarily bolshy, she's a real counter-example.

I keep my mantilla (which I pronounce with two English l's, or two Dutch l's, depending on which language I'm talking in that part of the sentence) on with two hairpins. Doesn't stop VA in her seemingly continual mission to yank it off my head as soon as I step [i]out[/i] of church though...

Generally I wear the mantilla only on Big Party Type Days. Otherwise I wear a headscarf - over my head and tied behind my neck. Sometimes with clips or pins at the front to keep it in place. I'd love to wear my mantilla all the time but this is the Netherlands and we're on a slightly different game plan Maybe by the time they get around to burying me they can actually bury me with my mantilla on, and the ladies will all have their mantillas on too. But I think at that point I'll have other things to worry about.