Iacobus Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 A study was released about a year ago in the UK that found that weed has a much larger cancer causing effect. The particles were like 20 times more likly to casue cancer. Also, your body is a temple a gift from God, we shouldn't abuse it with drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 I wasn't condoning it, just helping a pal out with his pro-legalization of weed argument! When I lived in my dorm there was a big problem with weed, not so much with just smoking it by itself, but mixing it with cocaine, household chemicals, and even rat poison. The problem is a little "high" leads to a bigger "high" - but I do believe the penalties should involve effective treatment plans and all cases should not be equal and greater to people convicted of murder, rape, and other violent crimes ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 you know, I associate marijuana not with "recreational, puff puff pass, smoke less than a pack a day" illusion, but with rage, murder, obsessive, addicted, sinful horrific things. Yeah, and I'm from the barrio, so most of these people don't worry about getting caught and put in jail......only when it leads to murder. Pray for all those who are slaves to this sin as well as others. And don't give me the "that's not everybody" statement, because I've got my youth group pressured to take drugs and this argument is shot. I wouldn't base any judgement on what MTV shows as "true". MTV is Although you said not to use the "that's not everyone" argument, I'm going to use it. What you described is NOT everyone. I'm also from the barrio, so I see what goes on and weed is not the biggest issue nor is it the cause of the big issues. If anything, drinking is a much larger issue than smoking weed. Also, think about it logically. If it was legal and easier to obtain (like Lil Red said, maybe with a high tax) then alot of the crime that occurs over it wouldn't happen. How many people do you hear getting killed over trying to get cigarettes? Not many, if at all. If weed was legalized, it would most likely be the same scenario. If it causes more cancer and people still want to smoke it, then that's on them, not anyone else. The same with cigarettes. People are warned about the consequences...once they choose to smoke, then the consequences are on them. Why should it be illegal just because it can cause a great deal of cancer? So does certain chemicals and fertilizers that are used on our foods, so are growth hormones used in our meats, so does too much sun. I don't see anyone having a fit to make chemicals, fertilizers, growth hormones, or sun exposure illegal. We can all make choices. And as Lil Red pointed out, if the government can make money off gambling (which is also considered an addiction by the way), I don't see why we can't do the same thing with weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 What concerns me -- isn't the recreational pot smoked now a lot stronger than, say those "innocent" days of the 60s? Does the body not build up a tolerance and want more to get that "high"? With that being said -- pot makes people stupid. Why encourage more stupidity than there already is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 The only prob with legalizing it in the US is that it is intergrated with cocaine traffic from Mexico, Central, and South America. I think Canada's method would be ideal for the USA, but Canada doesn't have all the problems Americans have with weed, cocaine, crack, opium, etc. traffic coming into it's port cities. A lot of those other drugs can never be legalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 I know lots of stupid people who have never smoked weed. Weed can't be blamed for the amount of stupdity out there. I don't know if it's stronger now than then, but I don't buy the whole "it leads you to bigger drugs" thing. If that's the reasoning, then does wine lead to beer lead to hard liqour lead to other drugs? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 okay, you say drinking is a bigger problem than weed....yet it's legal. Maybe because it's legal? I don't know. If it causes more cancer and people still want to smoke it, then that's on them, not anyone else. The same with cigarettes. People are warned about the consequences...once they choose to smoke, then the consequences are on them. Sorry, but that's not my logic. A warning or two, and tell them the consequence is on them is enough? That's just too easy. either way, It effects us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 well I lost 5 friends since high school to drunk driving and I've never seen anything death-related associated with marijuana other than the scenarios on those anti-weed comercials - booze and cocaine and crack seem to be the big problems. marijuana by itself just makes people sleepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 okay, you say drinking is a bigger problem than weed....yet it's legal. Maybe because it's legal? I don't know. Sorry, but that's not my logic. A warning or two, and tell them the consequence is on them is enough? That's just too easy. either way, It effects us all. Drinking was a huge problem during Prohibition. There were so many illegal speak-easies because of it. Crime related to it was very high...even the government realized that it would be worse if left illegal. So I think the legalization of alcohol has nothing to do with it. I think it's the same with weed. If a warning or two for alcohol and cigarettes is enough, then why not weed? It's not making it easy, it's making it truthful. If you do "A" then "B" will happen...pretty simple to understand. If we go by your logic, then we need to make drinking and cigarettes illegal as well. It'll never work. And if the government taxes it like they do cigarettes, maybe we can close some of our financial deficit. Not to mention the people who use it as medicine can get some relief as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 I think we can all say we've lost friends to drunk driving, and some were underage. Warning labels and telling them the consequences aren't enough. ( I mean that's why we have AA and support groups and others) People are looking for a cheap shot of a thrill or a high, when they need God. Your right, it's not drugs that need to be decrimilized, it's God who can fill the peace many seem to be searching for in drugs, alchohol and other places. I'm gonna listen to MC JUst's spritual high song now..... peace and God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Why do you assume that because someone is drinking or smoking recreationally that they are lacking God? Umm, lots of the phamily members here drink recreationally and they have God in their lives. Don't make assumptions on anyone else's relationship with God. You can only judge your own. Yes, people go overboard, but that's with everything...drinking, eating, etc. My point is, people are going to do it anyway. If done in a responsible manner, there isn't an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 i have real family members who drink and smoke, some who don't abuse them and some that do. it's the abuse that I'm talking about, and we're talking about marijuana, something that is already illegal. and yes, MANY do try to fill the need of God with something like drugs, sex, and abuse in achohol. that's truth, not a judgement. peace and God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXpenguin21 Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 people people people... you are greatly missing the point... as far as comparing marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, and other narcotics, the issue isn't that one might be "less harmful", but that it is HARMFUL to begin with! alcohol is also natural (if you left grapes fall off the vine and lay in the sun, the juice inside would ferment), so don't say that one is and one isn't man made. the point is that is harmful to you. it is harmful. everyone has said that. less and more don't factor into the simple conclusion that it is harmful. The Catholic Church NEVER thinks it's right to do something harful to your body. that's basically the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 SOME abuse, not ALL. Shall we punish the responsible for the actions of the irresponsible? SOME try to fill a lack of God with abuses of things, not ALL. Some, some, some...not all. If we base all our decisions on some, then we're in trouble. Some people get heart disease from eating greasy food...maybe that should be illegal too. I mean, after all, it is harmful to the "some" who abuse it. C'mon, you can't say because "some" abuse things that we should all have to live by that. And I know we are talking about marijuana. I am just trying to show you that your reasoning in regards to marijuana can be used for almost anything else, so why is everything else allowed to be legal, but not weed? Penguin, the Catholic Church also doesn't condemn those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 ok...understood.....some.....but I'm worried about the "some" who can't handle it versus the ones who can. good point penguin, marijuana is harmful to one's body, whether you use if for recreational use or abuse it. Some more dangerous than others, depending on it's use. love ya Carrie! :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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