johnnydigit Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 tough battle. i'm from california, nuff said. it's not my battle currently, so i just pray when i can. it makes me sad when i see these things, but i just pray for them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'd say keep going over people's heads until they feel the breeze on the backs of their necks all the way from Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I would go with LilRed's suggestion as well and work your way up the "chain of command" if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 My pastor uses glass chalices, which he fills after the consecration. Generally, he doesn't pull any punches when it comes to Church teaching. I haven't bothered to say anything since it's not a serious abuse. More flagrant abuses, like leaving the altar during the Sign of Peace, will bug me enough to say something and go to another parish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1549611' date='May 30 2008, 03:05 PM']My pastor uses glass chalices, which he fills after the consecration. Generally, he doesn't pull any punches when it comes to Church teaching. I haven't bothered to say anything[b] since it's not a serious abuse[/b]. More flagrant abuses, like leaving the altar during the Sign of Peace, will bug me enough to say something and go to another parish.[/quote] I would say that using a glass chalice is a much more serious abuse than a priest leaving the altar during the Sign of Peace. This is the Precious Blood we are talking about here! It's Jesus and He doesn't belong in a glass chalice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1549243' date='May 30 2008, 09:34 AM']"Well, the bishop won't do anything in our dioceses, Autumn, but its not good to talk about clergy negatively for humility sake."[/quote] I mostly agree with this, but I do want to point out that the Church requests that the laity report certain abuses (for instance, a priest who refuses the Forma Extraordinaria). I'd say it comes down to...are you complaining about the priest or about the actions of the priest (without judging the priest)? When I have a complaint to vent about, I usually try to stipulate very carefully that the priest has good intentions, honest ignorance, or whatever else might excuse him from culpability, even though the actions still often need to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSoul Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Why does the thought of the glass being liquid make me so very nervous? I don't think you should leave the parish. Please try very hard not to. I would feel like I was abandoning His Precious Blood. Stay with Him and watch over him and also LOVE your priest - have a serious heart to heart - even if he's making a mistake - you have a golden opportunity (ahem lol) to make things right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1549611' date='May 30 2008, 03:05 PM']My pastor uses glass chalices, which he fills after the consecration. Generally, he doesn't pull any punches when it comes to Church teaching. I haven't bothered to say anything since it's not a serious abuse.[/quote] CONGREGATION FOR DIVINE WORSHIP AND THE DISCIPLINE OF THE SACRAMENT INSTRUCTION Redemptionis Sacramentum On certain matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist [4] It is not possible to be silent about the abuses, even quite grave ones, against the nature of the liturgy and the sacraments as well as the tradition and the authority of the Church, which in our day not infrequently plague liturgical celebrations in one ecclesial environment or another. In some places the perpetration of liturgical abuses has become almost habitual, a fact that obviously cannot be allowed and must cease. 3. Sacred Vessels [117.] Sacred vessels for containing the Body and Blood of the Lord must be made in strict conformity with the norms of tradition and of the liturgical books.205 The Bishops' Conferences have the faculty to decide whether it is appropriate, once their decisions have been given the recognitio by the Apostolic See, for sacred vessels to be made of other solid materials as well. [b]It is strictly required[/b], however, that such materials be truly noble in the common estimation within a given region,206 so that honor will be given to the Lord by their use, and all risk of diminishing the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species in the eyes of the faithful will be avoided. Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily. This norm is to be applied even as regards metals and other materials that easily rust or deteriorate. [url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congrega...amentum_en.html[/url] Edited May 30, 2008 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 [quote name='FreeSoul' post='1549645' date='May 30 2008, 03:32 PM']Why does the thought of the glass being liquid make me so very nervous? I don't think you should leave the parish. Please try very hard not to. I would feel like I was abandoning His Precious Blood. Stay with Him and watch over him and also LOVE your priest - have a serious heart to heart - even if he's making a mistake - you have a golden opportunity (ahem lol) to make things right![/quote] this one I agree with. I despise the philosophy of "Well if you don't like it just leave" Leaving infers that its not my parish and it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1549666' date='May 30 2008, 01:47 PM']this one I agree with. I despise the philosophy of "Well if you don't like it just leave" Leaving infers that its not my parish and it is[/quote] +J.M.J.+ agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 If you want to see how liquid glass is, find a 100 year old house, and feel the difference in thickness in the windows from the top and the bottom. The bottom of the panes will be significantly thicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 AFTER Mass: Take it out with a BB rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Raphael' post='1549630' date='May 30 2008, 04:22 PM']I mostly agree with this, but I do want to point out that the Church requests that the laity report certain abuses (for instance, a priest who refuses the Forma Extraordinaria). I'd say it comes down to...are you complaining about the priest or about the actions of the priest (without judging the priest)? When I have a complaint to vent about, I usually try to stipulate very carefully that the priest has good intentions, honest ignorance, or whatever else might excuse him from culpability, even though the actions still often need to be addressed.[/quote] Actually Father was talking about speaking bad about the bishop. Because the bishop is too liberal to care....so reporting the priest, even gently, to the bishop would gain nothing. Edited May 31, 2008 by Autumn Dusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1550463' date='May 31 2008, 09:52 AM']...genitally.....[/quote] [img]http://www.geocities.com/stimpysvideotrading/bandb.jpg[/img] UHUH HUH HUH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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