ryanmeyersmusic Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. From Romans 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 well, this becomes apparent after looking at what PETA basis their views on. Lets look how they classify things, their motto? “ a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy”, therefore, a rat is the same as a boy…. they do this by ACTUALLY elevating the animals’ worth equal and sometimes even higher to a human being, twisting their views to what they precieve them to be. They go farther into not just stopping abuse but of making animal and human equal, which is not possible. This is just one of the many ways they go astray and yes, sadly, do it at the expense of life. again they have their priorites wrong. :shame: God bless. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeagol Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 an organization is founded in order to expose injustice. they seek to stand up against needless cruelty and they're spat on by some people. what makes this worse is that some of these people have the creed which supports the principles of the very organization to which they are opposed. just because it's okay to eat animals doesn't mean it's okay to needlessly cause harm to them, for we can all agree that we ought to minimize harm in every facet of life, no matter whose life it is. i think we should also be able to agree that the following is a good, although simple, representation of the 'hierarchy' of life on earth, from most to least valuable: human life > animal life > plant life > inanimate objects (it also should be noted that although animal life is not as valuable as human life, it is nonetheless important and oughtn't be neglected, because they are God's creatures.) they go TOO far in protection of animals. anyone who knows the conditions in which animals are currently being treated would never admit to such a fallacy. how can they be going TOO far to protect animals when animals are still being severely mistreated? they are God's gift to us, of course we shouldn't abuse it but KILLING THEM IS NOT ABUSING THEM, i absolutely agree! but the current manner in which animals are grown and killed is astonishingly abusive. and wherever there is an abuse against any of God's creatures, there ought to be someone standing up for the innocent victims. PETA is this someone. to go vegitarien because it's immoral not to be vegitarian calls our Lord and Savior immoral in your eyes. there's no need to be vegitarian, unless you don't like the taste of meat. wait a second now... hold the phone... it's not simply the act of killing an animal which irks PETA off, it is the manner in which this act is carried out. did the Lord heartlessly castrate and brand baby cattle without giving them any sort of painkillers? did He grow chickens in such a confined area as to prohibit them from spreading their wings not even once in their entire lifespan and then scald them alive? of course not. and we all would agree that anyone who partakes in such a behavior is needlessly abusing God's creatures. if we were to purchase products from these abusers, we would in effect be contributing and sanctioning such behavior. you see, aloysius, there is more than the mere taste of meat in driving someone to vegetarianism. Lets look how they classify things, their motto? “ a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy”, therefore, a rat is the same as a boy…. i'm sure this is a terrible exaggeration taken out of context in some way. they do this by ACTUALLY elevating the animals’ worth equal and sometimes even higher to a human being,......... This is just one of the many ways they go astray and yes, sadly, do it at the expense of life. sorry flower, but i don't believe you. sorry for being skeptical but i'm not going to take your word on this one. do you have any examples of PETA sacrificing human life in order to save an animal's life? again they have their priorites wrong. answer me this: am i evil for studying political science, history, and philosophy instead of donating my entire life to the prolife cause? of course not. my priorites are more wrong than PETA's because i'm just learning instead of fighting for any sort of life. but is that true? are my priorities really wrong? no, and neither are PETA's. it's totally unfair to say "if you're doing anything other than fighting against abortion, you're evil." ---- sorry if i seemed to have offended anyone, but it just bothers me that Christians, of all people, would assail an organization which fights against needless cruelty to protect the sanctity of life. also remember it's not the simple act of killing animals on which PETA is based; it's the needless and astonishingly cruel manner in which they are massacred. painkillers and a peaceful injection are not the same as bashing their skulls against the pavement or scalding them alive. please, if you're going to judge PETA, exercise more mercy and reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 So I suppose you eat only vegatables, or do you humanely kill all your food yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 sorry flower, but i don't believe you. sorry for being skeptical but i'm not going to take your word on this one. do you have any examples of PETA sacrificing human life in order to save an animal's life? smeagol, you dont have to believe me, i know for myself cuz i have studied myself. i have done countless research on PETA i have been studying them for a couple of years now and I have done research and presentations and have studied extensively on their organization, i know what their all about. those same ppl who can tie themselves to fences for labatory animals but can drive by an abortion mill and not blink an eye. the stuff i found did not make me happy nor was it pleasant. when i say their priorites are wrong, thast what i mean, their priorites are wrong. answer me this: am i evil for studying political science, history, and philosophy instead of donating my entire life to the prolife cause? of course not. my priorites are more wrong than PETA's because i'm just learning instead of fighting for any sort of life. but is that true? are my priorities really wrong? no, and neither are PETA's. it's totally unfair to say "if you're doing anything other than fighting against abortion, you're evil." i never said your evil, the question is whatever you are doing is it recognizing and putting the value of human life in its correct order because Human life should come first because it surpasses everything else. "Many people are very, very concerned with the children of India, with the children of Africa where quite a few die of hunger, and so on. Many people are also concerned about all the violence in this great country of the United States. These concerns are very good. But often these same people are not concerned with the millions who are being killed by the deliberate decision of their own mothers. And this is what is the greatest destroyer of peace today - abortion which brings people to such blindness." " We cannot solve all the problems in the world, but let us never bring in the worst problem of all, and that is to destroy love. And this is what happens when we tell people to practice contraception and abortion." "I have said often, and I am sure of it, that the greatest destroyer of peace in the world today is abortion. If a mother can kill her own child, what is there to stop you and me from killing each other? "By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And, by abortion, that father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. The father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. " "This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion." --Blessed Mother Teresa God bless, flowery +JMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 the jews of the time didn't give pain killers to their animal sacrifices or the animals they killed for food, and Jesus ate that meat they killed for food. uh oh, Jesus benefited from the suffering of an animal :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeagol Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 flower, you never really answered my question: "do you have any examples of PETA sacrificing human life in order to save an animal's life?" PETA are doing a noble deed, sticking up for innocent animals. just because they're not doing the "best" thing doesn't mean they're bad. they should be praised for the good that they are doing instead of condemned for what they are failing to do. (after all, no one can fix everything.) it befuddles me that Christ's followers spit on those who are only trying to do the right thing. i think i have said all i have to say about this topic in this thread and hopefully there has been someone who wasn't so eager to judge and condemn this organization whose intentions are solely to rectify an everpresent injustice in our society. p.s. unlike KFC, Jesus did not maliciously murder any of His creatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 "Animal liberationists do not separate out the human animal, so there is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They are all mammals," said Ingrid Newkirk. Even if animal research were to produce a cure for AIDS, "We'd be against it." -Ingrid Newkirk President and co-founder of PETA "We feel animals have the same rights as a retarded human child." Alex Pacheco co-founder of PETA these are the co-founders of PETA, this is how they work. their basis is fighting against human expense cuz they think and are fighting are equal. they shove the human dignity out of the picutre for their agendas and thats not right. take for example, PETA call animal cruelity the holocaust. thats not true. people died in the holocaust, not animals. the holocaust of today is not chickens in a slaughter but unborn babies being killed in abortion mills from their mother's womb. theres a difference becuz people are dying because of it. thats great that their helping animals, yes they do protect God's creatueres, but if their really for justice and LIFE, then i think they would be different in how they do things. see they have a nice agenda but its too extreme. and thats where i see their priorites wrong. i cannot say that i love all junk food when i only really just like animal crackers (no pun intended) yes, they've helped stop animal cruelity but it would be nice if the balance of human and animal values were implemented to what they are suppose to be. im not calling PETA bad, im saying there has to be a balance because animal cruelity and human murder are not the same. you cannot, knowing the sacredness of human life that God has given us, take a bigger stance on anything else than abortion. doen't have to be our only stance, mind you, but it should be our biggest. did you read what Mother Teresa said? she said it correctly. Mother Teresa knew of all the wrong and all the concerns of the world but she also knew that there was one that surpassed anything, one that requires us not to ignore nor compromise, and that is to end abortion. because it truly is the greatest destroyer. God bless, flowery +JMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeagol Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 take for example, PETA call animal cruelity the holocaust. thats not true. people died in the holocaust, not animals. the holocaust of today is not chickens in a slaughter but unborn babies being killed in abortion mills from their mother's womb. theres a difference becuz people are dying because of it. but i still don't think they are "shoving human dignity out of the picture." their aim is not to decrease human life, but rather to increase animal life. this is not an inverse relationship. animal "rights" can be increased without affecting human lives. that is all. abortion is not the holocaust because, if i remember correctly jews were killed in the holocaust, not unborn babies. thanks for the quotes btw. it does seem like they are elevating animal rights a bit high. but they are upholding my earlier hierarchy: humans > animals > plants > things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebirth flame Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 abortion is not the holocaust because, if i remember correctly jews were killed in the holocaust, not unborn babies. i believe that Abortion, in this sence, is being compared to the Holocaust. Nothing will replace the Holocaust in history. Abortion is just looked at as the "New" Holocaust because, as many Jews were killed for no apparent reason, so are all of the children of this forthcoming generation. It is merely a comparison used to get an idea of how bad Abortion has become. Hope that clears up alittle!!! maybe flowery has something to add... when she get's online, that is... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 THANK YOU REBIRTH FAME! i didnt stop to proofread what i wrote. :ph34r: LOL See what happens when your doing a million things at once and you stop and post? LOL im like a tornado. yes thats what i meant, of course its not the holocaust but a new one. the correlation? people are dying, life is not being recognized nor upheld. just like the germans got to decide whether jews lived or not, we are able to decide whether or not a unborn baby lives or not. thanks and your welcome smeagol. not to mention im fasting today so im alittle LOL from lack of nourishment :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebirth flame Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 not to mention im fasting today so im alittle LOL from lack of nourishment we will forgive you... but just this once now, ya' hear!!! j/k!!! :D :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 we will forgive you... but just this once now, ya' hear!!! j/k!!! :D LOL thanks! just tryign to get ready for tomorrow!! aaaahhh!! food! me want food! :sweat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 if you're getting technical about the word holocaust... either both or neither of them may be used (since holocaust actually incinuates being burned alive) Check the dictionary Regardless, PETA is a bit extreme and babies are more important... Just to clarify how I feel about the matter. I don't think we should look down on them for their feelings about animals, though, rather the ways they go about expressing those feelings. As far as abortion goes, I'll bet it's much like any large body of people (sadly, even our own Church): some people support the dignity of life, some support the legal right to choose death over life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted February 28, 2004 Share Posted February 28, 2004 if you're getting technical about the word holocaust... either both or neither of them may be used (since holocaust actually incinuates being burned alive) Check the dictionary Regardless, PETA is a bit extreme and babies are more important... Just to clarify how I feel about the matter. I don't think we should look down on them for their feelings about animals, though, rather the ways they go about expressing those feelings. As far as abortion goes, I'll bet it's much like any large body of people (sadly, even our own Church): some people support the dignity of life, some support the legal right to choose death over life... one of the methods of abortion is being burned alive. they inject salt in the womb and the baby burns to death while she/he is alive and struggling. :sadder: i agree with you ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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