Autumn Dusk Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1546967' date='May 28 2008, 06:30 PM']Heh. Did you know that using DVDs on Linux is technically against the law? You [url="http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf"]evil pirate[/url]![/quote] That was scarry... And I don't mind doing illegal things so long as I'm not stealing someone's work. EG. I don't download MP3's or use copies of software. The software I downloaded in order to run the DVD is to run the DVD only and while it may be illegal is also completely within the bounds law. Like its technically illegal to distribute fliers without a permit...as long as I designed the flier myself and got permission to post it no one is going to arrest me for not having a permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 (edited) [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1546971' date='May 28 2008, 06:32 PM']Ok. What you need to setup is a program called compiz. It also goes by the names beryl and compiz-fusion. Let me see what I can dig up for you in terms of a HOWTO ...[/quote] methinks that now I just need to wait for synaptic to load it for me. methinks that synaptic ate it...I don't know where it went! Edited May 28, 2008 by Autumn Dusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1546979' date='May 28 2008, 05:35 PM']That was scarry... And I don't mind doing illegal things so long as I'm not stealing someone's work. EG. I don't download MP3's or use copies of software. The software I downloaded in order to run the DVD is to run the DVD only and while it may be illegal is also completely within the bounds law. Like its technically illegal to distribute fliers without a permit...as long as I designed the flier myself and got permission to post it no one is going to arrest me for not having a permit.[/quote] I'm the same way. I don't use limewire. I feel like the immorality of breaking the law in this case (using the unlicensed DVD codec on Linux) is mitigated because I paid for license for the DVD codec on Windows. If they would sell a license for using DVDs on Linux, I would probably buy it, but alas ... By the way, here is a Compiz howto: [url="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager"]https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager[/url] If you follow this howto, I recommend using AIGLX instead of Xgl (which is just plain buggy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1546879' date='May 28 2008, 04:54 PM']I concur. Maybe cause you have to work a little for the goodness, while Windows, you have to work to sustain the (semi)goodness. Your poor father. [/quote] [size=1] My daddy loves me! [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1546932' date='May 28 2008, 05:21 PM']Welcome to Linux. I use Linux (almost) exclusively, and have been using some kind of Unix now for 8 years. A friend of mine got me into early it in highschool; this genius, at age 14, was working on a project for the NSA involving Linux (SELinux, if you're familiar). Tax dollars at work, right there. Anyway, let me see if I can help you with some of your problems. [b]#1 -- Installing software.[/b] Ubuntu comes with a number of really great graphical interfaces for installing software. Chek out synaptic, as well as adept. They beat "sudo apt-get install <program_name>" any day, especially if you're new. Also, Kubuntu, at least (the KDE flavor of Ubuntu) comes with a program called gdebi to install programs that you download that aren't included in Ubuntu itself. Simply double-click like you would a windows .exe. Ubuntu uses .deb's, though. [b]#2 -- Wireless[/b] Check out networkmanager. Kubuntu offers a KDE version: knetworkmanager. This simplifies the process of setting up wireless to the point that it is almost easier than windows. For drivers, you may want to have a look into ndiswrapper. What it does is takes a windows wireless driver, and wraps it up in a ball of software that Linux can use. Think of it like a Windows-Linux adapter for your wireless driver. Then again, many more cards are supported by native Linux drivers now, though. [b]Other Advice[/b] Use an IRC chat program (like xchat) to connect to the server irc.freenode.net. Then do "/join #ubuntu" or "/join #suse" from within xchat. Both of these channels with connect you with other users for your distro of Linux who will be able to give you very specific help. Try lots of different Linux distributions. Don't just limit yourself to SuSE or Ubuntu. If you're really up for an adventure, and want to REALLY learn the inner workings of Linux, try Gentoo (but do so on an old computer that is sitting in a closet somewhere). Take a look at the options presented at LinuxISO.org. Fool around. Have fun. Break your computer a couple of times. Learn to fix it. But most of all, have fun, and don't be afraid to ask for help whenever your need it. It seems to me that you are indeed the PERFECT candidate for a Linux Live CD.It sounds like it will fit your needs perfectly.[/quote] Sweet stuff... don't forget Automatix 2.0. Or is that just for Gnome? Anywho, I have a quick question... how do I set linux as the secondary OS to boot when I do the Kubuntu install thing (while "demoing" the OS). Do I have to do that after? Thanks. [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1546967' date='May 28 2008, 05:30 PM']Heh. Did you know that using DVDs on Linux is technically against the law? You [url="http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf"]evil pirate[/url]! [/quote] Lawl!!!! I sat giggling at that for 5 minutes, then realized it was on a loop. lawl. [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1547005' date='May 28 2008, 05:46 PM']I'm the same way. I don't use limewire. I feel like the immorality of breaking the law in this case (using the unlicensed DVD codec on Linux) is mitigated because I paid for license for the DVD codec on Windows. If they would sell a license for using DVDs on Linux, I would probably buy it, but alas ... By the way, here is a Compiz howto: [url="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager"]https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager[/url] If you follow this howto, I recommend using AIGLX instead of Xgl (which is just plain buggy).[/quote] Cool cool. Mp3 codec is illegal too Heck... there's other semi sketchy stuff about Linux too, apparently... like having to decode hardware so linux programmers can write for them... apparently I hear that's tricky to do rightfully. [quote name='CrossCuT' post='1547323' date='May 28 2008, 09:39 PM'][size=1] My daddy loves me! [/size][/quote] I'm sure he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1546932' date='May 28 2008, 05:21 PM']Welcome to Linux. ... Anyway, let me see if I can help you with some of your problems. ... It seems to me that you are indeed the PERFECT candidate for a Linux Live CD.It sounds like it will fit your needs perfectly.[/quote] Very cool. Thank you for all of that. I have done everything except look at the network manager. And I happen to have an old Acer Aspire that is just begging for a Gentoo install. Bwaaa-haha. I shall check it out soon. Thanks again. [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1546971' date='May 28 2008, 05:32 PM']Ok. What you need to setup is a program called compiz. It also goes by the names beryl and compiz-fusion. Let me see what I can dig up for you in terms of a HOWTO ...[/quote] I was wondering the same thing. And I see that Kubuntu has it listed on the Adept Installer and it's ready to go. All I have to do is push the "apply changes" button and ... *wheeeeeeeeeeee... !* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Started out with Ubuntu about 3 years ago. Totally screwed up my machine. This was back in the day when the install was textbased, we had live-cd's, but forget about installing in a GUI. I think it was 6.04... maybe even 5.xx, somewhere around there. Fixed that and didn't look back for a while until last summer where I installed 7.04 (in a GUI). Liked it but still not great and didn't use it as a primary OS. Installed 7.10 last fall... loved it. The synpatic package manager has come a long way from 6.xx and the ablility to detect and download drivers for my broadcom wifi card was a deal breaker. I am okay with the terminal but not too comfortable. Been cheating on Ubuntu a bit with Fedora (in homage to LD, of course) and going to put Yellow Dog on my PS3 sometime this summer. Ubuntu seems the most noob friendly (least amount of terminal usage and you can copy paste most of that). Still, it will be a while (maybe 8.10?) before it passes my grandma... or even my mom test. I can use it, I am comfortable with computers ('cept Ubuntu and my dual monitor setup got in a fight) but I don't think someone who is scared of or unfamilar with computers... or isn't willing to risk reinstalling their OS every now and then because they messed something up. Or don't want to use command line interfaces to install Java or Flash or whatever. I would dualboot them for sure, but not as a single OS. For what it is worth, right now I am running a Fedora 9 Live USB, 8.04 Ubuntu install, XP, Vista and YDL. But I am a nerd, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1547816' date='May 29 2008, 12:25 AM']Sweet stuff... don't forget Automatix 2.0. Or is that just for Gnome? Anywho, I have a quick question... how do I set linux as the secondary OS to boot when I do the Kubuntu install thing (while "demoing" the OS). Do I have to do that after? Thanks. Lawl!!!! I sat giggling at that for 5 minutes, then realized it was on a loop. lawl. Cool cool. Mp3 codec is illegal too Heck... there's other semi sketchy stuff about Linux too, apparently... like having to decode hardware so linux programmers can write for them... apparently I hear that's tricky to do rightfully. I'm sure he does [/quote] Really quick thing ... I [b]do not[/b] recommend using Automatix, the same way that I [b]do not[/b] recommend using contraceptives. Sure, you can do it and it will lead to more pleasure and fun in the short run, but ... Automatix tends to break Ubuntu like contraceptives break your body. According to ubottu, Ubuntu's ircinfo bot, Automatix is also no longer supported by its creators. Take a look at [url="http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html"]this page[/url] for more discussion on the topic. To set Kubuntu as the secondary OS, here are some instructions. Kubuntu must be installed for this to work, however. [code]sudo mount /boot *passwd*[/code] Check that /boot is mounted already. For KDE: [code]sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst *passwd*[/code] For Gnome, replace "kate" with "gedit" in the above. Scroll to the very bottom. You should see something like this: [code]## ## End Default Options ## title Ubuntu 8.04, kernel 2.6.24-17-generic root (hd0,2) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.24-17-generic root=UUID=ff2bc585-e8bc-4537-ae09-c61d15073d7e ro quiet splash initrd /initrd.img-2.6.24-17-generic quiet[/code] Notice the "title" heading above? That's the key. Count the number of "title" headings until you find the one for Windows. [b]But, and this is the most important part, you must start counting from 0 instead of from 1[/b]. So, Windows is the 7th entry on my list, and so I would use the number 6 to describe Windows. If Windows is the 4th entry on your list, you would use 3. Etc. Now, scroll to the top of the page, and look for this: [code]## default num # Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and # the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used. # # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'. # WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your # array will desync and will not let you boot your system. default 0[/code] Replace the 0 in "default 0" with the number that you got for Windows. Save, and exit. Say prayers of thanksgiving to St. Isidore, the patron of Linux geeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 NICE! Thanks soo much... gotta get installing that Kubuntu... I didn't know we have a patron saint for Linux peeps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 [quote name='Iacobus' post='1547955' date='May 29 2008, 01:51 AM']Been cheating on Ubuntu a bit with Fedora (in homage to LD, of course)... ... For what it is worth, right now I am running a Fedora 9 Live USB, 8.04 Ubuntu install, XP, Vista and YDL. But I am a nerd, [/quote] Holy cow, Iacobus--what a geek! But it's cool to see you again. It's nice that you pop up now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 [quote name='mommas_boy' post='1546932' date='May 28 2008, 05:21 PM'][b]#2 -- Wireless[/b] Check out networkmanager. Kubuntu offers a KDE version: knetworkmanager. This simplifies the process of setting up wireless to the point that it is almost easier than windows.[/quote] Wow--that was easy! I was putting off the wi-fi config, because I thought it would be more complicated than all that. But I didn't even have to fuss with any drivers. All I needed to do was: #1 click the icon and enter the pass-code for my 2wire. #2 unplug the ethernet cable. Btw- as of Sunday I have had Ubuntu on my laptop exclusively. Boo-ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Okay... my younger brother is whining at me about the boot record: he wants Kubuntu to be installed so it doesn't effect my first hard drive's boot record. is this possible?? this is so if I want to remove linux for some reason, I don't lose everything (happened before becuase I couldn't boot any operating system after we removed linux) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1548425' date='May 29 2008, 03:47 PM']Okay... my younger brother is whining at me about the boot record: he wants Kubuntu to be installed so it doesn't effect my first hard drive's boot record. is this possible?? this is so if I want to remove linux for some reason, I don't lose everything (happened before becuase I couldn't boot any operating system after we removed linux)[/quote] Yes, but it won't be as clean, and you will have to come up with some sort of ad hoc solution to boot Linux. See discussion below. If you want to do that, then you will need to install grub on a floppy, or potentially a USB flash drive or CD, in order to boot Linux. I recommend a floppy, as I don't know how to make a USB drive bootable, and I'm unsure how one would install grub on a CD. But, with floppies going the way of 8-track tapes, your box might not even HAVE a floppy drive. I know that mine doesn't. To be absolutely honest, here is what I recommend. Create a /boot partition on your hard drive where you can store grub and all its trimmings. Then, create whatever partitions you want to install Linux on. If you do decide to nuke Linux and all it's cuddly little penguins in order to head back to the dark side, make sure that you follow these very important steps: [list=1] [*]Get to confession as quickly as possible for your crimes. [*]Have perfect contrition, as imperfect contrition is insufficient for forgiveness of the sin of converting away from the One True OS. [*]Pray three Hail Tuxes and one Our Linus as penance for your sins. [*]Oh yeah, and whatever you do, just DON'T NUKE THE BOOT PARTITION. But feel free to delete the other partitions and their contents. Since grub resides in both the MBR as well as the boot partition, you will need to make sure that the boot partition is intact in order to still boot Windows. (What happened in the uninstall process is that the /boot partition got deleted somehow). [/list] Note that as you mentioned something super advanced like the MBR (master boot record) I am making the assumption that you should also know how to partition. Let me know if you have no idea what I'm talking about, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1548408' date='May 29 2008, 03:18 PM']Wow--that was easy! I was putting off the wi-fi config, because I thought it would be more complicated than all that. But I didn't even have to fuss with any drivers. All I needed to do was: #1 click the icon and enter the pass-code for my 2wire. #2 unplug the ethernet cable. Btw- as of Sunday I have had Ubuntu on my laptop exclusively. Boo-ya![/quote] Excellent! Told you that it was easy! You are well on your way to becoming a Linux-addict / -zealot like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Thanks for the help. I'm getting my brother on installing my second HD... and possibly doing the alternate boot... ugh... I don't wanna have to put in a floppy to start Linux, but yeah... it seems semi efficient... I'll see. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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