Apotheoun Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I could see Hillary ordering an assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1551070' date='May 31 2008, 05:19 PM']I could see Hillary ordering an assassination.[/quote] Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisieux Flower Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1551070' date='May 31 2008, 03:19 PM']I could see Hillary ordering an assassination.[/quote] ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='Lisieux Flower' post='1550925' date='Jun 1 2008, 05:09 AM']And the most conservative. Case in point: George W.[/quote] 1. "Most conservative hardly describes Bush. 2. While Bush went to Yale because of his family's legacy at the school, he has actually done some things he can add to his name with his political career, even before the White House. Hillary and Obama on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='Justin86' post='1552006' date='Jun 1 2008, 07:00 AM']2. While Bush went to Yale because of his family's legacy at the school, he has actually done some things he can add to his name with his political career, even before the White House.[/quote]Like what? [url="http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/html/exec/features/0400_01.html"]Governor of TX does not count.[/url] The only weaker position is governor of Florida. (Isn't that ironic?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Um, as Governor of Texas Bush: *Overturned the former governor's ban on concealed weapons *Successfully sponsored legislation for tort reform *Maintained a budget surplus in Texas while also passing the largest tax cut in the State's history. He was a better Governor than he was a President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='tgoldson' post='1552432' date='Jun 1 2008, 01:10 PM']Like what? [url="http://texaspolitics.laits.utexas.edu/html/exec/features/0400_01.html"]Governor of TX does not count.[/url] The only weaker position is governor of Florida. (Isn't that ironic?)[/quote] Wait a minute....why doesn't his tenure as Governor of Texas count? And where do you get off saying that it is a "weak" position? And what are you basing your all thing on? Sounds like a bunch of c.rap, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='Justin86' post='1544306' date='May 26 2008, 10:56 PM']Ever notice the most liberal among us always build careers off of others and never do they achieve anything themselves?[/quote] [quote name='Lisieux Flower' post='1550925' date='May 31 2008, 03:09 PM']And the most conservative. Case in point: George W.[/quote] [quote name='Justin86' post='1552006' date='Jun 1 2008, 08:00 AM']1. "Most conservative hardly describes Bush. 2. While Bush went to Yale because of his family's legacy at the school, he has actually done some things he can add to his name with his political career, even before the White House. Hillary and Obama on the other hand...[/quote] Whatever bro, whether he's conservative or a neo-con, the point still stands. You can't just pull off this statement about Bush not being as privileged as Hilary and expect to get away with it. You can say the same for Hilary because of the things she tried to do as first lady and as Senator. To accuse her of building off of Bill while ignoring how much W built off of his father is pretty weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1552470' date='Jun 1 2008, 11:46 AM']Wait a minute....why doesn't his tenure as Governor of Texas count? And where do you get off saying that it is a "weak" position? And what are you basing your all thing on? Sounds like a bunch of c.rap, if you ask me.[/quote]Why would I ask you? Read the link. I'm not making this up. Here - I'll make it wasy for you: From the University of Texas at Austin, Texas Politics: "As Governor George W. Bush ran for President in 2000, reporters and pundits trotted out sound-bite versions of a lesson students have been taught about Texas for years: Compared to the U.S. President or the chief executives of other states, [b]the Texas Governor occupies a "weak" office[/b]. The main source of the relative weakness of the Texas Governor can be found in the historical conditions surrounding the Texas Constitution of 1876. [b]Mindful of the experience of Reconstruction – the period after the Civil War when [i]Republican[/i] governors wielded extensive executive powers and were resisted by [i]conservative[/i] elites in the state – the authors of the new constitution sought to rein in future governors. They did so by dispersing power that might otherwise be lodged in the chief executive's hands among a vast array of independently elected officials[/b]. Broad powers over the legal system, state budget and finances, education, transportation, agriculture, public utilities, and land development are delegated to officials who need not share the policies nor even be of the same political party as the governor. The dispersal of power among different officials creates what is often called the [url="http://java%20script:openGlossWin("]plural executive[/url]. Unlike the federal system, where the cabinet secretaries and the other top executive officers serve at the pleasure of the President, the voters elect the corresponding officials in the Texas system, [b]giving the Governor no direct authority over them[/b]." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='Didymus' post='1552675' date='Jun 2 2008, 05:56 AM']You can say the same for Hilary because of the things she tried to do as first lady and as Senator.[/quote] Absoultely not. Everything that woman has tried to get passed has failed. She has nothing to her name. [quote]To accuse her of building off of Bill while ignoring how much W built off of his father is pretty weak.[/quote] When did I ignore it? [quote name='tgoldson' post='1552677' date='Jun 2 2008, 05:58 AM']Why would I ask you? Read the link. I'm not making this up. Here - I'll make it wasy for you: From the University of Texas at Austin, Texas Politics: "As Governor George W. Bush ran for President in 2000, reporters and pundits trotted out sound-bite versions of a lesson students have been taught about Texas for years: Compared to the U.S. President or the chief executives of other states, [b]the Texas Governor occupies a "weak" office[/b]. The main source of the relative weakness of the Texas Governor can be found in the historical conditions surrounding the Texas Constitution of 1876. [b]Mindful of the experience of Reconstruction – the period after the Civil War when [i]Republican[/i] governors wielded extensive executive powers and were resisted by [i]conservative[/i] elites in the state – the authors of the new constitution sought to rein in future governors. They did so by dispersing power that might otherwise be lodged in the chief executive's hands among a vast array of independently elected officials[/b]. Broad powers over the legal system, state budget and finances, education, transportation, agriculture, public utilities, and land development are delegated to officials who need not share the policies nor even be of the same political party as the governor. The dispersal of power among different officials creates what is often called the [url="http://java%20script:openGlossWin%28"]plural executive[/url]. Unlike the federal system, where the cabinet secretaries and the other top executive officers serve at the pleasure of the President, the voters elect the corresponding officials in the Texas system, [b]giving the Governor no direct authority over them[/b]."[/quote] I've already refuted this by listing the things Bush accomplished for Texas while Govnoner. Did you not see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Justin86' post='1552767' date='Jun 1 2008, 03:27 PM'] I've already refuted this by listing the things Bush accomplished for Texas while Govnoner. Did you not see that?[/quote]I just disagree with your conclusions. (I live here. The Lieutenant Gov wields the power. In my opinion, being chief lobbyist should not count for executive branch leadership experience.) Edited June 1, 2008 by tgoldson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='tgoldson' post='1552781' date='Jun 2 2008, 06:39 AM'](I live here. The Lieutenant Gov wields the power. In my opinion, being chief lobbyist should not count for executive branch leadership experience.)[/quote] You could argue the same againist the President since he has to basically get everything he wants passed through Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I've tried making that point about how little actual power to change laws the President has. No one has wanted to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 [quote name='Justin86' post='1552795' date='Jun 1 2008, 03:48 PM']You could argue the same againist the President since he has to basically get everything he wants passed through Congress.[/quote] then why are we so against Obama? stop contradicting yourself when it's convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 i was scared to death the other morning when i went to go have my car fixed at the dealership... two elderly gentlemen were discussing politics in the waiting room, and one brought up the slip-ups by Obama and his family during his campaign trail... the one Southern man responded very quickly with the thought of "i'd have more respect for Hilary if she just stood up during one of those debates, pulled a pistol out and shot that man"... what happened to Southern hospitality? or did it ever exist? no matter, i already know who i'm voting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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