Theoketos Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I would say that the tape was a bit much and not in the spirit of true leadership. That being said, these people are victimizing themselves now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscerningSoul Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1535443' date='May 20 2008, 11:10 PM']Duck tape?!?!?!? [img]http://www.tractorbynet.com/photos/data/569/26850DuckTape.jpg[/img][/quote] AFLAK !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 [quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1535441' date='May 20 2008, 08:08 PM']ooh - chills... i agreed to take some "cousins" once with our group down to Florida on a beach retreat - tape very necessary.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ and i guess if i thought there would be a problem with a youth, i would take that youth aside before the trip, and make sure that youth knew the consequences of breaking my rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 [quote name='Theoketos' post='1535640' date='May 21 2008, 12:55 AM']I would say that the tape was a bit much and not in the spirit of true leadership. That being said, these people are victimizing themselves now.[/quote] How many kids have you chaparoned? Leadership has little to do with it, kids are kids and are because of their lack of judgement do not see the risks that their behavior involves. God has always seemed to ordain you get one idiot with every trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1536141' date='May 21 2008, 01:42 PM']How many kids have you chaparoned? Leadership has little to do with it, kids are kids and are because of their lack of judgement do not see the risks that their behavior involves. God has always seemed to ordain you get one idiot with every trip.[/quote] Yup. I would like to introduce myself as the person who was usually that idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 If the parents didn't want chaperones, why did they let the kids go with them? I do think it'd be wrong not to tell the kids they were going to tape the doors, though, just in case they did panic if they tried to leave for emergency/other legit. reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1536215' date='May 21 2008, 02:39 PM']If the parents didn't want chaperones, why did they let the kids go with them? I do think it'd be wrong not to tell the kids they were going to tape the doors, though, just in case they did panic if they tried to leave for emergency/other legit. reason.[/quote] The beauty of the tape is that it doesn't prevent the kids from leaving, but makes it so that, if they do so, it has to be for a good reason because they can't fix the tape when they go back in. It's gotta be for an emergency because there ain't no turning back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1536218' date='May 21 2008, 12:41 PM']The beauty of the tape is that it doesn't prevent the kids from leaving, but makes it so that, if they do so, it has to be for a good reason because they can't fix the tape when they go back in. It's gotta be for an emergency because there ain't no turning back![/quote] Yeah, I understand that. I just think it'd be good for the kids to know that there WAS going to be tape on the door. Not an absolute necessity - but I am assuming they didn't know and that is the cause of this whole mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1536230' date='May 21 2008, 01:50 PM']Yeah, I understand that. I just think it'd be good for the kids to know that there WAS going to be tape on the door. Not an absolute necessity - but I am assuming they didn't know and that is the cause of this whole mess.[/quote] Most trips I've ever been on or heard of using this technique tell the kids ahead of time. Just to give them warning not to try anything because there will be proof that you did or tried to sneak out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 [quote name='StColette' post='1536249' date='May 21 2008, 01:05 PM']Most trips I've ever been on or heard of using this technique tell the kids ahead of time. Just to give them warning not to try anything because there will be proof that you did or tried to sneak out.[/quote] Yeah, that's what I would think. I have never experienced the duct tape thing but it makes sense to me, especially if you've got a large group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 (edited) I've had this done before... Honestly, we're not even sure we were "taped in" because everyone was too afraid of checking and actually breaking the tape. I want to see a photo of this door... The article makes it sound like a door completely covered in a wall of duct tape that no man could pass. Edited May 21, 2008 by CatholicCid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I think the photo that was posted was from the situation in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I love how they say the doors were "sealed shut". Wow. That is a pretty lousy seal. As for me, I have never had any problem travelling with youth, and I certainly haven't used duct tape. But, these are youth group kids, not a football team. And we always work in 2-3 hour shifts. So one person is up for 2 hours, then sleeps while another one takes over. I mean, with enough supervision, sometimes we only had to be up an hour each at night. I don't see why they didn't come up with a solution like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1536498' date='May 21 2008, 04:29 PM']I think the photo that was posted was from the situation in question.[/quote] Wow, that's just silly then. Just turning the handle would probably have broken the tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelofMusic Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 I've gone on many a trip where they taped us in and really... it wasn't that hard to get out. We even broke through some tape one time when we needed assistance with one of our roommates! It's just duct tape people. Or scotch tape. And I can almost GUARANTEE that those kids are reacting such because they were going to sneak out, couldn't, so they are playing on their mom's "protecting-my-baby" aspect. Pssh. What a bunch of wimps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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