Christians Are Second-class Citizens Of Islamic Republic Of Pakistan.

[CatholicWing]

[quote name='kujo' post='1533211' date='May 18 2008, 11:32 PM']First of all, I don't understand most of what you just.

Secondly, my sources are from the [url="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/"]CIA World Factbook.[/url] Where are yours?[/quote]

My source are from the [url="http://www.asianews.it/index.php?art=1583&l=en"]Asian News[/url]

[CatholicWing]

[quote name='kujo' post='1533211' date='May 18 2008, 11:32 PM']First of all, I don't understand most of what you just.

Secondly, my sources are from the [url="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/"]CIA World Factbook.[/url] Where are yours?[/quote]
My first question to you was that How many Christians live in USA and how many Non Christians live USA?

[LouisvilleFan]

Regarding religious affiliation in the United States, I found some good sources for numbers here. The most interesting trends are the falling numbers among Protestants, the lack of growth in Catholics considering our huge immigration numbers, and two segments that are growing significantly: Wiccan/paganism and agnosticism/atheism.

[url="http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html"]Adherents.com Largest Religious Groups in the USA[/url]

[url="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm"]ReligiousTolerance.org summary of data collected by ARIS[/url] (whoever that is, but they were also referenced in the first link)

76.5% of Americans are Christian, but that was in 2001, and considering the trend it's likely more like 70-71% today. 52% are Protestant, 25% Catholic, and 14.1% are not religious.

[CatholicWing]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1534316' date='May 19 2008, 10:37 PM']Regarding religious affiliation in the United States, I found some good sources for numbers here. The most interesting trends are the falling numbers among Protestants, the lack of growth in Catholics considering our huge immigration numbers, and two segments that are growing significantly: Wiccan/paganism and agnosticism/atheism.

[url="http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html"]Adherents.com Largest Religious Groups in the USA[/url]

[url="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm"]ReligiousTolerance.org summary of data collected by ARIS[/url] (whoever that is, but they were also referenced in the first link)

76.5% of Americans are Christian, but that was in 2001, and considering the trend it's likely more like 70-71% today. 52% are Protestant, 25% Catholic, and 14.1% are not religious.[/quote]

Thanks you very much LouisvilleFan you tell me USA popolation in detail.
I am got surprised that Catholic are low figure then Protesant.
Do you know how many Muslims live in USA?

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='CatholicWing' post='1535548' date='May 21 2008, 12:00 AM']Thanks you very much LouisvilleFan you tell me USA popolation in detail.
I am got surprised that Catholic are low figure then Protesant.
Do you know how many Muslims live in USA?[/quote]

Yeah, the U.S. is definitely a Protestant nation, but even their numbers are falling. Some areas like New York City, Boston, and New Orleans have a lot more Catholics.

Muslims are only about 0.5%. Jews represent something like 1.5%. Both are generally concentrated in bigger cities, but I'm sure Islam is one of the faster growing faiths, if only due to it being so small currently.

[Didacus]

All right, I might be blasted by several of you for psoting this but;

Good for Pakistan if they have in their constituion something that preserves the muslim heritage of the nation.

I've said many times that we can learn things from islam and their way of doing things. imagine if the US was based on a Papacy, and in it was statements similar to those found in Pakistani legislation but within context of catholicism? --- Gay Marriage would NEVER have taken root if such would have been the case.

I am a papist, this I do not hide. But contrast between the US and Islam practices simply re-enforce my personal opinion that pure democracy is fatally flawed and that goverment can only function in perpetual good if it is guided by the Pope and nothing less.



Look at it this way; if Pakistan was a Papist state instead of an Islamic state - would any of you truly be outraged?

[LouisvilleFan]

We've seen what happens when we have papal states.

I'll take democracy.

When you have a state religion, it doesn't matter what the religion is, non-believers are persecuted and killed.

[CatherineM]

I don't know. Maybe we need another pope like Julian to bring back the Papal estates.

[LouisvilleFan]

Why would we want papal states?

[kujo]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1536142' date='May 21 2008, 01:43 PM']All right, I might be blasted by several of you for psoting this but;

Good for Pakistan if they have in their constituion something that preserves the muslim heritage of the nation.

I've said many times that we can learn things from islam and their way of doing things. imagine if the US was based on a Papacy, and in it was statements similar to those found in Pakistani legislation but within context of catholicism? --- Gay Marriage would NEVER have taken root if such would have been the case.

I am a papist, this I do not hide. But contrast between the US and Islam practices simply re-enforce my personal opinion that pure democracy is fatally flawed and that goverment can only function in perpetual good if it is guided by the Pope and nothing less.
Look at it this way; if Pakistan was a Papist state instead of an Islamic state - would any of you truly be outraged?[/quote]

Well I agree that it would be nice for our country to feel the religious fervor that those in the Middle East feel, I am not in anyway in favor of institutionalizing our faith. Throughout history, we've learned that excessive intrusion of religion into the affairs of the state (and vice versa) only ends up making more mess than it is worth. I think we can all use a moral renaissance, but not what you're favoring.

Give me liberty or give me death.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1536142' date='May 21 2008, 12:43 PM']goverment can only function in perpetual good if it is guided by the Pope and nothing less.[/quote]

uhhhhh...

while this may be POSSIBLE, history sure says that guidance under the Pope does not equal "perpetual good" for the function of the government.

[kujo]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1536596' date='May 21 2008, 08:05 PM']uhhhhh...

while this may be POSSIBLE, history sure says that guidance under the Pope does not equal "perpetual good" for the function of the government.[/quote]

Word.

[Didacus]

[quote name='kujo' post='1536586' date='May 21 2008, 05:59 PM']Well I agree that it would be nice for our country to feel the religious fervor that those in the Middle East feel, I am not in anyway in favor of institutionalizing our faith. Throughout history, we've learned that excessive intrusion of religion into the affairs of the state (and vice versa) only ends up making more mess than it is worth. I think we can all use a moral renaissance, but not what you're favoring.[/quote]

Your responding to a concept with a functional statement. IE; gas powered engines is agood idea, but it won't work because durrent tires can't support the weigth.


[quote name='kujo' post='1536586' date='May 21 2008, 05:59 PM']Give me liberty or give me death.[/quote]

True religion does not infringe on freedom.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1536596' date='May 21 2008, 06:05 PM']uhhhhh...

while this may be POSSIBLE, history sure says that guidance under the Pope does not equal "perpetual good" for the function of the government.[/quote]

We should learn from the lessons in history, but what is to be learned is debatable.

The difference between and idiot and a cat: If the cat gets burned by touching a stove, the cat will stop touching the stove while its hot. If the idiot gets burned on the stove the idiot will never touch the stove again.

[Didacus]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1536229' date='May 21 2008, 12:50 PM']We've seen what happens when we have papal states.

I'll take democracy.

When you have a state religion, it doesn't matter what the religion is, non-believers are persecuted and killed.[/quote]


And do you think the pope would support the persecution and killings of 'non-believers'?

you're refereing to an abuse of religion, not religion itself.