Armed Resistance Is Close.

[the lumberjack]

oh, I AM taking action, brother...and I proudly call you brother, by ministering in ANY way possible to anyone that doesn't know Christ...

and believe me, I WILL defend myself, should someone try to attack me and/or my family...

but I will do like the Bible commands, and "cause violence to no man"...

Jesus wasn't a pacifist either...."I came not to bring peace, but a sword"

now, of course He wasn't talking about a PHYSICAL sword...He was talking about division between His called and the world...even if it meant us leaving our families because they hate the fact that we are now following Christ.

but I will lay my life down for the Gospel of my Lord should I have to. I will proudly kiss the guillotine on that day.

For me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

word.

[M.SIGGA]

I gotcha and I feel the same way - I'm not a pacifist but I believe in peace and solidarity and the power of prayer and conversion because God has said make peace with your enemies and vengeance is mine (Romans 12) and I know He is always loyal and in His Word.

[quote]Romans
Chapter 12
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1 2 I urge you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God, your spiritual worship.
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Do not conform yourselves to this age but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and pleasing and perfect.
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For by the grace given to me I tell everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than one ought to think, but to think soberly, each according to the measure of faith that God has apportioned.
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For as in one body we have many parts, and all the parts do not have the same function,
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so we, though many, are one body in Christ 3 and individually parts of one another.
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Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us exercise them: 4 if prophecy, in proportion to the faith;
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if ministry, in ministering; if one is a teacher, in teaching;
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if one exhorts, in exhortation; if one contributes, in generosity; if one is over others, 5 with diligence; if one does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.
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[b]Let love be sincere; hate what is evil, hold on to what is good[/b];
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love one another with mutual affection; anticipate one another in showing honor.
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Do not grow slack in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord.
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[b]Rejoice in hope, endure in affliction, persevere in prayer. [/b]
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Contribute to the needs of the holy ones, exercise hospitality.
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[b]6 Bless those who persecute (you), bless and do not curse them[/b].
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Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep.
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Have the same regard for one another; do not be haughty but associate with the lowly; do not be wise in your own estimation.
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[b]Do not repay anyone evil for evil; be concerned for what is noble in the sight of all.
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If possible, on your part, live at peace with all. [/b]
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[b]Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for the wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
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Rather, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head."
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Do not be conquered by evil but conquer evil with good. [/b][/quote]

Lord Jesus our Savior, the Holy Comforter, the Wonderful Counselor, and the Prince of Peace; have mercy on us. Amen.

[Lil Red]

you know, in a hundred years, people will look back at this time and say, "What were they thinking, killing their future generations?" And shake their heads at us (as a society) and our weird ways.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Lil Red Devil' date='Mar 5 2004, 05:58 PM'] you know, in a hundred years, people will look back at this time and say, "What were they thinking, killing their future generations?" And shake their heads at us (as a society) and our weird ways. [/quote]
I don't think there will be another 100 years if kill'dim babbies kerry gets in office.

From supporting global infancide to legalizing an abomination and calling it Holy will be the sure sign of the beginning of the end. Romans 1.

How many years are left from Fatima happened until the end? Was it Mary's hand full of sand or a child's?

I love my daughter; I should have been a priest and I wouldn't be putting a lift through such a horrible time in the history of the world.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[MC Just]

I'm with IronMonk on this one. It is very much needed.

[Aloysius]

bump

[God Conquers]

It is important to note that evangelization and prayer are more important and will do mightier things than violence will ever, ever accomplish.

[quote]About midnight, while Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God as the prisoners listened,
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there was suddenly such a severe earthquake that the foundations of the jail shook; all the doors flew open, and the chains of all were pulled loose.
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When the jailer woke up and saw the prison doors wide open, he drew (his) sword and was about to kill himself, thinking that the prisoners had escaped.
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But Paul shouted out in a loud voice, "Do no harm to yourself; we are all here."
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He asked for a light and rushed in and, trembling with fear, he fell down before Paul and Silas.
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Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
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And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you and your household will be saved."
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So they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to everyone in his house.
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He took them in at that hour of the night and bathed their wounds; then he and all his family were baptized at once.
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He brought them up into his house and provided a meal and with his household rejoiced at having come to faith in God.
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But when it was day, the magistrates sent the lictors 8 with the order, "Release those men."
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The jailer reported the (se) words to Paul, "The magistrates have sent orders that you be released. Now, then, come out and go in peace."
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But Paul said to them, "They have beaten us publicly, even though we are Roman citizens and have not been tried, and have thrown us into prison. And now, are they going to release us secretly? By no means. Let them come themselves and lead us out." 9
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The lictors reported these words to the magistrates, and they became alarmed when they heard that they were Roman citizens.
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So they came and placated them, and led them out and asked that they leave the city.
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When they had come out of the prison, they went to Lydia's house where they saw and encouraged the brothers, and then they left. [/quote]


If they had broken out of the prison, just as if we used violence to break out of the ethical prison of our society, they wouls have accomplished far less.

We must heed the example of the apostles, and the early Church, who conquered through prayer, perseverance and evangelism.

[ironmonk]

To perseverance is sometimes means to pick up the sword. Christ said there would be a time for the sword.

Ever hear of St. Joan of Arc?


[b]Sirach 4:28 [/b]Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]2) all other means of redress have been exhausted;
This is close. [/quote]

Isn't the overall change in favor of prolifers? I must be mistaken.

But there does seem to be an even split in the country over abortion. Which means that it's actually close to change.. unless it stays that way for a long time. In which case, it's so close, yet so far. Don't know how you'd judge that situation against that criteria. But that close split leads to...

[quote]4) there is well-founded hope of success; and
Check. If every pro-lifer stood up for the innocent, without doubt we would succeed.[/quote]

I know you're sure of it but I think I'll have to disagree with you there. It'd be a civil war of equal sided proportions.


Also, would you take action yourself or wait for the Vatican's approval? What if you think that the Vatican is not doing its job of telling RCs to fight? Then would you?

[mmmerf]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Mar 4 2004, 06:12 PM']
what a load of carp.
[/quote]
Goldfish have nothing to do with this.

[mmmerf]

I was about to say a bunch of stuff about what I'd be willing to do.


But then I realized that if that were really the case, I'd already be doing it, because the need is already there.




The time has come for greater action. Not violence or bloodshed, but certainly more than what I'm doing.

Dave

[popestpiusx]

Where do I sign?

[ironmonk]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Jul 22 2004, 04:58 PM']
Isn't the overall change in favor of prolifers? I must be mistaken.

But there does seem to be an even split in the country over abortion. Which means that it's actually close to change.. unless it stays that way for a long time. In which case, it's so close, yet so far. Don't know how you'd judge that situation against that criteria. But that close split leads to...



I know you're sure of it but I think I'll have to disagree with you there. It'd be a civil war of equal sided proportions.


Also, would you take action yourself or wait for the Vatican's approval? What if you think that the Vatican is not doing its job of telling RCs to fight? Then would you? [/quote]
There are more people for pro-life... but even if it was a minority, we must stand up because it's the right thing to do.


If the Catholic Church said do not do it, then we do not do it.


The Catholic Church's job is not to tell people to fight. The Catholic Church's job is to guide men to salvation, it is to let us know if the fight is a just cause.

The civil war would not be of equal proportions. If the past civil war was just because of slavery, then this civil war must be just because of innocent people being killed.

But all criteria must be met.

[Iacobus]

1st, 100,000 people killed? Are you nuts. The last time some one tried to break away from the US there 558,052 people killed. And they only could fire 3 times a minute. Now they can fire 800 times a minute. So be real in this. You would lead to a lot of death.

Moreover, war and fighting disrupts things. The amount of aftermath deaths would be soo massive that again I question your number.

Also, I can say, and be confortable in these two things, that if the time for armed conflict was to come it would not be decided by a member of the lay people.

And numbers don't matter. If God was more rejoicing in the return of the one lost than the 99 staied, it seems to appear numbers matter not. So would it matter if 1 person died or 1.3 million people died? Is the sin any greater or less? Will God have a harder time damning or forgiving you because of the amounts?

And if one person in killed by you crusade, one inncoent person, what are you fighting?

[Cure of Ars]

I always thought you needed a legitimate authority to take up arms. Isn’t this what St. Thomas taught about just war? There is no way that vigilantly revolution is just. It just gives the pro–abortion side more ammunition to call us crazy and discredit us.