Getting To Know Mccain

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='Niccolò' post='1600043' date='Jul 14 2008, 04:32 PM']Right, but I was addressing Lounge Daddy who had brought up other issues (such as national security and taxes, he obviously being from a Conservative/Libertarian perspective).
Correct, McCain is not perfect on life issues, as I pointed out. However, does this mean we are morally obliged not to vote for either candidate? McCain is not perfect on life issues, but Obama is exceedingly terrible on them. That was merely my point, and it makes sense to vote for the lesser evil in light of the candidates' respective records. In my view voting third party is pointless.[/quote]
I don't know, which is why I asked above:

[quote]Correct, that is what I meant. Neither candidate is "morally acceptable" from a Catholic perspective. So the question becomes, do we vote for one of the major party candidates because they are the only two with a realistic chance of winning - which essentially means deciding which is the lesser of two evils - or do we vote for a "morally acceptable" third party candidate that has little chance of winning?[/quote]

[Lounge Daddy]

[url="http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-centrists13-2008jul13,0,1800667.story?page=1"]The LA Times ran an article over the weekend[/url] about how McCain and Obama solidly agree an pretty much everything. It's amusing that the article also points out that a few areas where they used to disagree, they have come to agree--such as FISA and setting a timetable for troop withdrawal from Iraq.

[url="http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=590"]Another writer noted[/url] that with McCain agreeing with Obama on the issues, it makes it easier for Bob Barr to run a three-way race, rather than running as a spoiler. He points out that the Libertarian Party is in a position to make this and future elections legitimate three party elections. Because, while Nader did run a spoiler by challenging Gore's sincerity on his positions; Bob Barr is running on platforms once championed by the GOP.

Remember when the Republican Party took pro-life issues seriously (rather than for granted), argued for small government (instead of simply arguing for slightly smaller govt than what the Dems want), fiscal responsibility and border security etc?
[quote]Al Gore was “Naderized” due to the fact that Ralph Nader ran on very similar issues to the Democrats but simply put an anti-establishment spin on it which resonated with many younger liberal voters. Bob Barr ,on the other hand, has serious differences with both John McCain and Barrack Obama regarding the war in Iraq, how to deal with Iran, the overblown fiscal budget, border security, the detainees in Guantanamo and many other issues.

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There are clear distinctions on the Libertarian sides of the major issues facing our country as opposed to both the Republican and Democratic sides. I would hope that Americans would be much more responsible in looking closely at the candidates rather than simply whining that a third candidate only hurts their candidate’s chances of winning.[/quote]

[kenrockthefirst]

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[kenrockthefirst]

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[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1653951' date='Sep 12 2008, 01:29 PM'][img]http://www.uclick.com/feature/08/09/12/bs080912.gif[/img][/quote]

Is it just me, or do you rarely if ever say or post negative comments about Obama? If not McCain who?

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1654009' date='Sep 12 2008, 02:45 PM']Is it just me, or do you rarely if ever say or post negative comments about Obama? If not McCain who?[/quote]
It's not just you. However, in McCain we have a track record, if you will, in the past eight years, and in the case of this thread my point is to demonstrate that McCain is certainly NOT the only viable option for Catholics. BTW, and FWIW, I am NOT a partisan for Obama, and you will not be able to find a single posting in which I express support for his candidacy. As for who, that's my conundrum but it certainly won't be McCain.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1654015' date='Sep 12 2008, 02:15 PM']It's not just you. However, in McCain we have a track record, if you will, in the past eight years, and in the case of this thread my point is to demonstrate that McCain is certainly NOT the only viable option for Catholics. BTW, and FWIW, I am NOT a partisan for Obama, and you will not be able to find a single posting in which I express support for his candidacy. As for who, that's my conundrum but it certainly won't be McCain.[/quote]

Obama has enough of a record for a Catholic to publicly protest against.

[Akalyte]

Obama supports planned parenthood and vows to stand for theyre ways. He is also a socialist who would rather demolish our government and way of life. McCain would like to overturn roe v wade and actually loves his country.. I'm voting for McCain, he is the only one we can vote for.

[Didymus]

Akalyte that wasn't even logically coherent. What exactly do you mean by "demolish our government", especially since most Americans believe our government is in pretty bad shape as it is. Also, it is misleading to merely say "he is the only one we can vote for." Thank God we are a little more democratic than that.

Also, who are we to judge whether one does or does not love their country?

Edited September 12, 2008 by Didymus

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1654016' date='Sep 12 2008, 02:19 PM']Obama has enough of a record for a Catholic to publicly protest against.[/quote]
Correct, and so I won't vote for him. However, that does not ipso facto mean that we should therefore vote for McCain.

[StColette]

Not to hijack but when I saw the title of this thread I automatically started singing the song from "The King and I". "Getting to know you, getting to know all about you."

[pan!c139]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1654009' date='Sep 12 2008, 12:45 PM']Is it just me, or do you rarely if ever say or post negative comments about Obama? If not McCain who?[/quote]

Seriously. The only time you hear negative comments about Obama in newspapers and such in the media is...um....NEVER.

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='pan!c139' post='1654078' date='Sep 12 2008, 03:44 PM']Seriously. The only time you hear negative comments about Obama in newspapers and such in the media is...um....NEVER. [/quote]
Be that as it may, it doesn't make McCain any better a candidate. The reality is, both candidates stink. My main objection to McCain, as evidenced by the cartoons I've posted, is that he represents four more years of the last eight years, which have been a trainwreck.

[pan!c139]

He's not that great, but he's better than Obama. By far.

AND he's got Palin.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1654093' date='Sep 12 2008, 04:01 PM']Be that as it may, it doesn't make McCain any better a candidate. The reality is, both candidates stink. My main objection to McCain, as evidenced by the cartoons I've posted, is that he represents four more years of the last eight years, which have been a trainwreck.[/quote]

They do not stink equally and you know this. Obama is much worse and you know this. But all I hear from you is negitiveity about McCain, and nothing negitive about Obama. And yes a couple times now I've seen you defend Obama, on what you believe others do not understand but I've not seen you defend McCain maybe I missed it.