Getting To Know Mccain

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1546508' date='May 28 2008, 03:45 PM']I agree. I think that Paul will probably get a noticeable percentage. But I don't think McCain will win if he does. I think in an election year where many are unhappy with what George Bush has done, and less than impressed with the Republican party as a whole, that McCain will need every vote that would normally go to a conservative and I don't think he's going to get that.[/quote]

Well, what I don't understand is why McCain took so many votes in the Washington primary. Regardless, there are many middle-of-the-road and some liberal voters who are drawn to Ron Paul. His appeal isn't only to conservatives. He skirts the tired old conservative vs. liberal debates by basing his campaign on faithfulness to the Constitution.

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1546508' date='May 28 2008, 03:45 PM']I don't know about all that personally. I think it's going to be horrifically bad either way, Obama or McCain.[/quote]

Why do you feel so pessimistic about it?

Edited May 28, 2008 by LouisvilleFan

[goldenchild17]

Because I think there are major serious problems with both of these men and their parties.

[mommas_boy]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1546579' date='May 28 2008, 03:20 PM']Because I think there are major serious problems with both of these men and their parties.[/quote]

Welcome to politics!

[goldenchild17]

yep, but I think there are parties and candidates who are really good. It's when we reduce the competition to two parties only that men can be assured of getting elected even when they are really bad. With more competition one needs to be an actually good candidate to get elected.

[mommas_boy]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1546803' date='May 28 2008, 04:27 PM']yep, but I think there are parties and candidates who are really good. It's when we reduce the competition to two parties only that men can be assured of getting elected even when they are really bad. With more competition one needs to be an actually good candidate to get elected.[/quote]

I heard somewhere that for elections in the UN, delegates (who are voters) are allowed to vote for more than one candidate for a specific office.

The problem with the current electoral system is that most people see a vote for a third-party candidate as a vote wasted. Sometimes I wonder if a similar system wouldn't help to dislodge the Republican/Democrat monopoly (or would it be a binopoly? ), because then you could vote for both one of the major parties, as well as a third party, without worrying about wasting your vote.

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[CatherineM]

We could go back to letting the person who comes in second for president to be the vice president. Think of the fights.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1546579' date='May 28 2008, 04:20 PM']Because I think there are major serious problems with both of these men and their parties.[/quote]

A genuine pro-life movement starts with changing the culture (and prayer, of course). We can do both regardless of who's president.

Edited May 29, 2008 by LouisvilleFan

[goldenchild17]

Sure we can, and should. But it doesn't help to have an enemy in such a high position.

[mommas_boy]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1547452' date='May 28 2008, 10:20 PM']A genuine pro-life movement starts with changing the culture (and prayer, of course). [b]We can do both regardless of who's president[/b].[/quote]


[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1547959' date='May 29 2008, 02:11 AM']Sure we can, and should. [b]But it doesn't help to have an enemy in such a high position.[/b][/quote]

Nor does it hurt to do so when stuck with a president we disagree with. LouisvilleFan isn't excusing McCain, simply saying that there is more to do than just overturning Roe v. Wade. That said, I think that we would all do well to learn to live with the man, whether or not we agree with him.

[kenrockthefirst]

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Follow the money.

[XIX]

we can argue until we are blue in the face, but the simple fact is that Catholics are allowed to vote for McCain (as the best option who has a chance at winning or for a third-party guy (as a more ideal option). Neither vote is a waste.


But I'd bathe in sulfuric acid with needles sticking out of my eyes before voting for Obama.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='mommas_boy' post='1548163' date='May 29 2008, 09:47 AM']Nor does it hurt to do so when stuck with a president we disagree with. LouisvilleFan isn't excusing McCain, simply saying that there is more to do than just overturning Roe v. Wade. That said, I think that we would all do well to learn to live with the man, whether or not we agree with him.[/quote]

or we could strive for something better. just a thought, crazy as it might be. Might not work in this election or the next, but eventually they'd have to turn around if they want to win. If he would win there is nothing to do other than accept it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to have anything to do with getting him elected.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='XIX' post='1548764' date='May 29 2008, 09:45 PM']we can argue until we are blue in the face, but the simple fact is that Catholics are allowed to vote for McCain (as the best option who has a chance at winning or for a third-party guy (as a more ideal option). Neither vote is a waste.[/quote]

agreed. But I think debating it is valid. Both sides have valid points. When it gets bad is when one side tells the other they are sinning when they don't vote in accordance with their particular philosophy. I don't believe (at this point, who knows if I change my mind later) that voting for McCain is the better option. I think its a very bad option, but I do accept that a Catholic has that option as a supposedly lesser of two evils option.

[quote name='XIX' post='1548764' date='May 29 2008, 09:45 PM']But I'd bathe in sulfuric acid with needles sticking out of my eyes before voting for Obama.[/quote]

I would agree. If I wasn't still imagining that in reality... I'm not sure I'll sleep too good tonight .

[kujo]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1549044' date='May 30 2008, 01:50 AM']or we could strive for something better. just a thought, crazy as it might be. Might not work in this election or the next, but eventually they'd have to turn around if they want to win. If he would win there is nothing to do other than accept it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to have anything to do with getting him elected.[/quote]

I think it is important to bring the Republican party back to its roots; however, in this circumstance, we have to put our morals before our politics, mainly that we have to say that McCain is more pro-life than either Obama or Clinton. We are morally-permitted to vote for McCain, whereas we are NOT able to vote for Obama or Clinton. Voting third party is fine, too.

Again, we need to let our leaders know that we will no longer take this b.s. from the Republican party. But voting for Obama or Clinton is not the way to send this message. I don't believe this is what you're implying, just giving my .02.

[XIX]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1549050' date='May 30 2008, 01:53 AM']agreed. But I think debating it is valid. [b]Both sides have valid points. When it gets bad is when one side tells the other they are sinning when they don't vote in accordance with their particular philosophy.[/b] I don't believe (at this point, who knows if I change my mind later) that voting for McCain is the better option. I think its a very bad option, but I do accept that a Catholic has that option as a supposedly lesser of two evils option.[/quote]
Agree. The bold part is why I decided to chime in.