Getting To Know Mccain

[kujo]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1524996' date='May 11 2008, 02:56 PM']I know there's really no such thing as a "third party". The term is just used to refer to all the outcasted parties of American politics. [/quote]

Word. Kind of a silly term, really. It only perpetuates the two-party system, as if there's 2 parties, and everything else is so minute and inconsequential that they can all be clumped together into 1 unsuccessful ideology. I bet you the libertarians and communists don't enjoy the association!

[XIX]

[quote name='ironmonk' post='1524340' date='May 10 2008, 08:28 PM']Obama Bin Lying[/quote]
lame

[Didymus]

[quote name='faithfulrock3r' post='1524371' date='May 10 2008, 08:18 PM']McCain is also not a say-whatever-it-takes-to-win candidate like Clinton[/quote]

wow... where have you been the last couple months?? This is not the bi-partisan senator McCain from Arizona.

he's becoming whatever the GOP wants him to become, which means the issue of life is about as important as the environment.

[mod]--Era Might[/mod]

[Didymus]

[quote name='isilzha' post='1523961' date='May 10 2008, 11:37 AM']I don't like him, but I'm pretty sure I'll end up voting for him anyway (although it really doesn't matter in Illinois).[/quote]


true true... thank you Chicago...

[Didymus]

[quote name='Pontifex' post='1523630' date='May 9 2008, 10:45 PM'][url="http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm"]John McCain on the issue of Abortion[/url]
Click the link to get know him. His record looks pretty good. While you're at it, look at the voting records of our two democrats.[/quote]

hmmm...

GovWatch: 1999: Don't force women to have illegal operations. (Feb 2008)
Concerned if women undergo illegal dangerous operations. (May 2007)
Supports federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. (May 2007)
“Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion. (Jan 2000)
Abortion OK if raped; and no testing for rape. (Jan 2000)
Supports fetal tissue research; against over-intensity. (Jan 2000)
Overturn Roe v. Wade, but keep incest & rape exceptions. (Jan 2000)
Wants Roe vs. Wade made irrelevant, but would not repeal it. (Aug 1999)

how again does his record look pretty good?

how different is this country going to be for the unborn if McCain is president than if one of the democrats are? Maybe we should look back at 2000 and 2004...

[kenrockthefirst]

If you enjoy disastrous economic and foreign policies, not to mention torture and erosion of US civil liberties, then by all means vote for McCain.

I don't know what I'll do. Obama and Hillary are both pro-choice, so they're out. But there's not a snowball's chance that I'll vote for McSame for a third Bush term. What to do, what to do...

[kujo]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1528459' date='May 14 2008, 02:08 PM']If you enjoy disastrous economic and foreign policies, not to mention torture and erosion of US civil liberties, then by all means vote for McCain.

I don't know what I'll do. Obama and Hillary are both pro-choice, so they're out. But there's not a snowball's chance that I'll vote for McSame for a third Bush term. What to do, what to do...[/quote]

While I whole-heartedly agree with most of your post, I have to ask you to speak for a lot of people when you explain what you mean by a "third Bush term." What gives?

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='kujo' post='1528462' date='May 14 2008, 12:11 PM']While I whole-heartedly agree with most of your post, I have to ask you to speak for a lot of people when you explain what you mean by a "third Bush term." What gives?[/quote]
John McBush represents the continuation of Bush's economic and foreign policies, as well as the continuing constitutional abuses engendered by the "war on terror," and therefore a virtual third Bush term.

[Didymus]

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[LouisvilleFan]

I voted for Huckabee in yesterday's Kentucky primary. Thought it was interesting that about the only mention about the Republican primary in Louisvillle's Courier-Journal was a short article saying that a lot of votes would be meaningless because none of the candidates who have withdrawn from the race ever filed their paperwork to have their named removed from the polls.

A total load of stinkin' bull manure.

If we want the election results to reflect peoples' actual desires, we have to vote for the person we actually want.

As for the results, about 21% of Republican voters chose someone other than McCain. I wonder how many of that 79% only voted for him because they thought any other vote would be "wasted?"

Those of us who aren't fans of Obama or McCain should seriously consider voting for Ron Paul. I'm not suggesting we drink the Kool-Aid, but at the least you are asserting a desire for a viable third party candidate and the pro-life cause. We know he's not going to win, but as long as we sell out to the "popular" choices, we'll keep getting the same results.

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1536010' date='May 21 2008, 08:22 AM']I voted for Huckabee in yesterday's Kentucky primary. Thought it was interesting that about the only mention about the Republican primary in Louisvillle's Courier-Journal was a short article saying that a lot of votes would be meaningless because none of the candidates who have withdrawn from the race ever filed their paperwork to have their named removed from the polls.

A total load of stinkin' bull manure.

If we want the election results to reflect peoples' actual desires, we have to vote for the person we actually want.

As for the results, about 21% of Republican voters chose someone other than McCain. I wonder how many of that 79% only voted for him because they thought any other vote would be "wasted?"[/quote]
[url="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/05/21/huckabee-dropped-out-right.aspx"]Huckabee Dropped Out, Right?[/url]
[i]With 100 percent of precincts reporting in Kentucky, McCain won 72.3 percent of the vote. Huckabee raked in 8.2 percent, and Ron Paul, who’s actually still in the race, won 6.8 percent. All told, non-McCain candidates won nearly 28 percent of the vote in the Republican contest.[/i]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1536010' date='May 21 2008, 08:22 AM']Those of us who aren't fans of Obama or McCain should seriously consider voting for Ron Paul. I'm not suggesting we drink the Kool-Aid, but at the least you are asserting a desire for a viable third party candidate and the pro-life cause. We know he's not going to win, but as long as we sell out to the "popular" choices, we'll keep getting the same results.[/quote]
We can only hope that Paul goes for it.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1536067' date='May 21 2008, 11:16 AM'][url="http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/05/21/huckabee-dropped-out-right.aspx"]Huckabee Dropped Out, Right?[/url]
[i]With 100 percent of precincts reporting in Kentucky, McCain won 72.3 percent of the vote. Huckabee raked in 8.2 percent, and Ron Paul, who’s actually still in the race, won 6.8 percent. All told, non-McCain candidates won nearly 28 percent of the vote in the Republican contest.[/i][/quote]

That's funny. I was trying to garner the stats from the raw election data posted on Kentucky's Board of Elections web site since apparently our local paper didn't care about the Republican results. It was funny when I went to vote. The lady couldn't find my name, so then she asked, "Are you Republican?" So then I went sent down to the lady with a much smaller notebook

As for the Slate article, I guess the notion of notching one's preferred choice for President doesn't occur to that writer.

[quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1536067' date='May 21 2008, 11:16 AM']We can only hope that Paul goes for it.[/quote]

From what I hear, he's already announced that he's running for President. I don't see any reason why he wouldn't.

[LouisvilleFan]

croutons

Edited May 23, 2008 by LouisvilleFan

[kujo]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1536010' date='May 21 2008, 10:22 AM']I voted for Huckabee in yesterday's Kentucky primary. Thought it was interesting that about the only mention about the Republican primary in Louisvillle's Courier-Journal was a short article saying that a lot of votes would be meaningless because none of the candidates who have withdrawn from the race ever filed their paperwork to have their named removed from the polls.

A total load of stinkin' bull manure.

If we want the election results to reflect peoples' actual desires, we have to vote for the person we actually want.

As for the results, about 21% of Republican voters chose someone other than McCain. I wonder how many of that 79% only voted for him because they thought any other vote would be "wasted?"

Those of us who aren't fans of Obama or McCain should seriously consider voting for Ron Paul. I'm not suggesting we drink the Kool-Aid, but at the least you are asserting a desire for a viable third party candidate and the pro-life cause. We know he's not going to win, but as long as we sell out to the "popular" choices, we'll keep getting the same results.[/quote]

[Brother Adam]

To cmom:

Do you remember the Simpsons episode with the two aliens who who entered the presidental election and there was basically a choice between being enslaved for eternity or being enslaved for eternity. One little guy says "I believe I will vote for a third party candidate" and the alien says "Go ahead, waste your vote!", highlighting that voting for someone who is not a republican or democrat is not a wasted vote. That mentality is why our young people don't vote and is an insult to the men and women who die so that we have the right to vote in freedom. If all US Catholics voted for 1 truly prolife candidate, that man or woman would win the election. I will write in a US senator, who will not win the election, but I have hardly wasted my vote. And I believe a Catholic should obey the Church on the non-negotiables.

Edited May 23, 2008 by Brother Adam