Gas Could Go To $10/gal...

[desertwoman]

[quote name='dust (the ultra-handsome' post='1512762' date='Apr 28 2008, 04:27 PM']Looks like I'm getting one of these:
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The air that comes out of it's exhaust pipe is breathable.[/quote]


Wow.

But ... does that mean we're going to be paying for air. LOL!!!


Man... we like to charge for everything. They finally started to make people pay for the air pump at the gas station down here. My goodness.

[Noel's angel]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1512782' date='Apr 28 2008, 10:36 PM']If the government keeps high excise taxes then your gas will go up just as much as ours will.[/quote]

We're already paying more...

[fides quarens intellectum]

Finally! Al Gore's long-awaited dreams of high gas prices will become a reality!

[Deus te Amat]

Yet another reason why we should be drilling in ANWAR. Contrary to what most liberals would tell you, there are actually MORE Caribou thriving near the pipelines. Drilling for oil in the reserve is NOT harmful to the environment.

I drive a half hour to and from school every day. Most people are like that around here. I don't see how the American people, especially in the more rural areas like Wyoming and South Dakota, could stand to be scammed out of money when we have such an oil reserve of our own at our fingertips.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1512770' date='Apr 28 2008, 04:30 PM']Whatever. We'll see what actually happens. Expert analysts have a knack for sounding smart and being wrong. Much of the recent rise in gas prices is also due to the cheapening dollar. If the credit crisis finally abates and the dollar is able to strengthen a bit, we'll see gas prices come down a little.

Still, the long-term trend is still headed higher as demand from China, India, and other developing countries is outpacing supply. I fully expect gas prices to outpace inflation, which is just another good reason to live in the city where mass transit and bicycling are reasonable alternatives for shorter trips.[/quote]
The price of oil has remained constant with respect to the dollar. So if the dollar was tied to a gold standard, you would be seeing little change. Runaway inflation is a huge problem right now.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Deus_te_Amat' post='1512859' date='Apr 28 2008, 04:51 PM']Yet another reason why we should be drilling in ANWAR. Contrary to what most liberals would tell you, there are actually MORE Caribou thriving near the pipelines. Drilling for oil in the reserve is NOT harmful to the environment.

I drive a half hour to and from school every day. Most people are like that around here. I don't see how the American people, especially in the more rural areas like Wyoming and South Dakota, could stand to be scammed out of money when we have such an oil reserve of our own at our fingertips.[/quote]


[quote name='notardillacid' post='1512862' date='Apr 28 2008, 04:51 PM']The price of oil has remained constant with respect to the dollar. So if the dollar was tied to a gold standard, you would be seeing little change. Runaway inflation is a huge problem right now.[/quote]


have to say i agree with both of you.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1512862' date='Apr 28 2008, 05:51 PM']The price of oil has remained constant with respect to the dollar. So if the dollar was tied to a gold standard, you would be seeing little change. Runaway inflation is a huge problem right now.[/quote]
Why did we do away with the gold standard? I remember learning about it in high school, but the reasoning escapes me currently.

[dairygirl4u2c]

not that this is the debate board...

but even if drilling in ANWR was not bad for the environment, it's still not wise to drill right now.

primiarly, this is because we have a few months strategic reserve, that's it. if we ever have an emergency, we'd need that gas in alaska. if we upped the reserves, then i probably wouldn't be all that against it.

but also... is it better to relieve the country now, or do it when gas is really really high? it's bad now, but it will be worse later, and that's when it'll be needed. when it's more clearly changing things significantly. maybe when it does get to 10 then we could drill.

if it were a ton of gas up there... then sure we could drill and be happy for awhile. but it'd only run our country for six months. since it's only a token amount relatively, but still not compltely petty change,,,, it's better to have the rainy day fund, and/or high gas relief fun.

not a short term fix for a long term problem.

Edited April 28, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Dreamweaver' post='1512828' date='Apr 28 2008, 05:18 PM']As much as people try to deny it, our culture is incredibly linked to oil. Even if you walk/public transportation/bike, you'll be paying more for food and other commodities.

One thing that really gets me is when economic analysts say that the price of gas will increase 25 cents by the end of the month, and you'll see the price jump exactly that amount within a matter of days. Its a self-fulfilling prophecy![/quote]
Food especially takes a double hit with oil prices increasing, because it's not only transported, but the increasing use of corn for ethanol also affects food prices.

And sometimes I wish economic analysts would just shut up, because the economy is such a head game that they really DO create self-fulfilling prophecies...

[MissScripture]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1512879' date='Apr 28 2008, 06:08 PM']not that this is the debate board...

but even if drilling in ANWR was not bad for the environment, it's still not wise to drill right now.

primiarly, this is because we have a few months strategic reserve, that's it. if we ever have an emergency, we'd need that gas in alaska. if we upped the reserves, then i probably wouldn't be all that against it.

but also... is it better to relieve the country now, or do it when gas is really really high? it's bad now, but it will be worse later, and that's when it'll be needed. when it's more clearly changing things significantly. maybe when it does get to 10 then we could drill.

if it were a ton of gas up there... then sure we could drill and be happy for awhile. but it'd only run our country for six months. since it's only a token amount respectively, but still not compltely petty change,,,, it's better to have the rainy day fund, and/or high gas relief fun.

not a short term fix for a long term problem.[/quote]
Using the logic "It's bad now, but it'll get worse later" is nonsense. How bad is "bad?" Who gets to decide when the level of "badness" is bad enough to use it? If it will get worse from now, won't it also get worse later, after we use it up?

[dairygirl4u2c]

the economy is not killed right now, or significantly hurt.
are you saying that it's better to get the relief now, rather than when the economy does need it? that's nonesense.

it will get worse probably even after we drill.. but at least drill when it'd be more signifiant to the country, and not just due to some short sided being inconvenience and upset. talk about nonesense.

and you didn't even address the rainy day emergency point.

maybe we'll never have the emergeny if we change to a differnt economy,,, but it's better given both of those points,that we wait.

why does it matter "who" decides? theoretically... the point is that we shouldn't do it now, and that's coming from me. do you debate this, or do you just want to talk about somehting as irrelevant as who will ultimately decide (instead of what should actually be done.. which is the point of this and relevant)

how can you think it wise to drill now? you just said soemthing that doesn't even have any reasoning behind it other than a question that is irrelevant.

all you did is say "i want relief now. to hell with the future". talk about nonesense.

Edited April 28, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[Paladin D]

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[MissScripture]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1512910' date='Apr 28 2008, 06:21 PM']the economy is not killed right now, or significantly hurt.
are you saying that it's better to get the relief now, rather than when the economy does need it? that's nonesense.

it will get worse probably even after we drill.. but at least drill when it'd be more signifiant to the country, and not just due to some short sided being inconvenience and upset. talk about nonesense.

and you didn't even address the rainy day emergency point.

maybe we'll never have the emergeny if we change to a differnt economy,,, but it's better given both of those points,that we wait.

why does it matter "who" decides? theoretically... the point is that we shouldn't do it now, and that's coming from me. do you debate this, or do you just want to talk about somehting as irrelevant as who will ultimately decide (instead of what should actually be done.. which is the point of this and relevant)

how can you think it wise to drill now? you just said soemthing that doesn't even have any reasoning behind it other than a question that is irrelevant.

all you did is say "i want relief now. to hell with the future". talk about nonesense.[/quote]
No I did not! I NEVER said what you claim I did. I never even said I thought we should drill now. My questions were regarding your logic, not necessarily saying we should or should not drill.
And the importance of the fact of who decides it that everyone thinks they know when the right time is. You claim to think that the right time in the ambiguous future, while others claim it is now. So, who is right? Obviously, you're going to continue thinking you're right and others will continue thinking they're right.

Edited April 28, 2008 by MissScripture

[dairygirl4u2c]

ok i concede i was implying things into what you said.

i can give lots of reasons why now is not the time, and i really doubt anyone could give any significant reasons why now is better than then. but since you were only making that observation, i will let someone else make the claim as to how it'd be better to wait.

(but taking a neutral sort of stance as you did, is still taking the stance to a degree that it's not clear that we should wait, which i think it is)

plus... you said what i said was nonsense. how can you try saying that you're simply making an observation, and not taking a stance... when you say what i said was nonesense? talk about nonesense.
how can you say i've been illogical given that i supported my conclusions with reasoning? how is that nonesense? you didn't say how it's nonesense, so what you said even if allegedly not taking a stance,,, is still nonesense.

Edited April 28, 2008 by dairygirl4u2c

[ardillacid]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1512877' date='Apr 28 2008, 06:07 PM']Why did we do away with the gold standard? I remember learning about it in high school, but the reasoning escapes me currently.[/quote]
Because when you need more money it's easier to print more than to be responsible.