George Bush

[allis-challmers]

I personally think that Bush might be the best canadate out there although I think that everone of them are all crooks and can't be trusted farther than we can through them. bush is pro life which is why I like him but he don't have much of a problem with calling action on other countrys and killing other people. I don't know to much about the other canadates and I know that since I am an electrician and bush ain't very tolarant twards labor and I don;'t like that. I can't figure out why there isn't a demacratic pro life canadate. Personally I can;t see how any sane person can not be pro life but for most of the other issues I simpasize with the democrats. I am just in need of brushing up on the issues I guess.

:blink:

[IcePrincessKRS]

I'm definitely voting to limit the evil. Fr. Frank Pavone says not to vote for the lesser of the two evils but vote to limit the evil. Heard him say that on Catholic Answers and say that voting for the lesser of the two evils implies that we are voting for evil, when you vote to limit the evil, your ulitimately voting for good.

I see your point, and its an amesome one.

Colleen, thats pretty much what Fr. M. was telling us in the last election. We essentially had to vote for Bush or be in a state of sin for voting to the pro-abort, or not voting for the guys who was pro-life and letting the pro-abort get into office (by either voting for someone who didn't have a chance or not voting at all).

[Norseman82]

Well, I'm voting for Bush based on anti-abortion and defense of marriage issues, but he's gotta get rid of the idiot who said that outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries is good for the U.S. Pro-lifers can't afford to deal with that type of embarassment.

[Carrie]

I used to work for Priests for Life, so Fr. Frank Pavone has pretty much taught me everything I know about abortion.

Hey, do you know the Kessler twins? They've worked at Priests for Life (I think Patti still does) for awhile now.

As for this topic, I have to agree with LilRed. We've gone over this topic over and over again. Bush supporters and those of us who are against Bush won't agree. I think the other threads have proven this already. I don't like Bush (Thomas stated the reasons perfectly) and I won't like him, no matter how much anyone hits me over the head with it.

I'm honestly glad that most of you seem to be at peace with your political viewpoints. I'm not there yet, but with some prayer, I will make up my mind.

God Bless,

Carrie

[rckllnknny]

but how many have died while under Saddam's oppressive rule? if a peaceful, democratic state is set up, this will have been for the betterment of society although we had to endure temporary hardship. it's called sacrifice in the short term for a prosperous long term result. just imagine if other countries in the middle east became democratic too, using iraq as a model. this is our goal. if this is achieved it will all have been worth it. dont just give stats on how many civilians were killed during the war. tell me how many civilians Saddam and his regime have killed on average in the same time span and then we'll talk.

that was actually my whole point.

but to my peeps- sorry i had to go and start a whole war here among people because of it. forgive me?? ;)

Edited February 24, 2004 by rckllnknny

[Richard]

sorry, i can't stand the guy. the only thing going for him is that he's pro-life.

Amen to that!

Maybe there was a good outcome to the war in Iraq. However, it seems as though he and Tony Blair led both our nations off to war on a false pretence. I wouldn't vote for either of them again (not that I could vote for Bush, but you get my point!)

[Ash Wednesday]

All right, now I'm confused.

I've heard differing opinions regarding whether or not a Catholic HAS to vote for Bush. I've never heard that "vote for Bush, or else you are sinning" though I know the obvious thing is to NOT vote for a pro-choice candidate.

I have wanted to support independant Joe Schriner :sadder: because he's totally Catholic and pro-life. Not that I hate Bush, but I just really wanted to support this guy.

I asked Judi Brown this from the Pro-Life league, and here is what she had said:

Voting as a Catholic should mean voting for the candidate who best supports God's truth -- whether it's a "close election" or not. If the candidate you can support is not a member of either major political party, so be it. If "the polls" say your candidate has no chance of winning, so be it. We stand, not for popularity, but for truth. Besides, the polls are not always accurate.

Judie Brown

COPYRIGHT 2004

So I'm getting two different answers here.

[smeagol]

that was actually my whole point.

but to my peeps- sorry i had to go and start a whole war here among people because of it. forgive me??

yes, :D you're forgiven! hehe

[BLAZEr]

Hey, do you know the Kessler twins? They've worked at Priests for Life (I think Patti still does) for awhile now.

As for this topic, I have to agree with LilRed. We've gone over this topic over and over again. Bush supporters and those of us who are against Bush won't agree. I think the other threads have proven this already. I don't like Bush (Thomas stated the reasons perfectly) and I won't like him, no matter how much anyone hits me over the head with it.

I'm honestly glad that most of you seem to be at peace with your political viewpoints. I'm not there yet, but with some prayer, I will make up my mind.

God Bless,

Carrie

Yeah I know the Kessler twins . . .

How do you know them? Are you from Staten Island?

Cool . . .

[Carrie]

No, I'm not on Staten Island but we went to college together in Brooklyn (and graduated together). We had alot of the same classes together (we all majored in psychology). They're amesome girls!

Small world, huh?

[IcePrincessKRS]

All right, now I'm confused.

I've heard differing opinions regarding whether or not a Catholic HAS to vote for Bush. I've never heard that "vote for Bush, or else you are sinning" though I know the obvious thing is to NOT vote for a pro-choice candidate.

I have wanted to support independant Joe Schriner :sadder: because he's totally Catholic and pro-life. Not that I hate Bush, but I just really wanted to support this guy.

I asked Judi Brown this from the Pro-Life league, and here is what she had said:

So I'm getting two different answers here.

What Fr. M. told us was that if the candidate didn't have a good chance of winning then to take votes away from the limit of evil thus, essentially giving votes to the bad guy, was sinful. Joe Schriner sounds like he'd be an amesome Prez, I would love to support him, but if he realistically has no chance of winning and to vote for him would land Kerry in office then one would have a moral obligation to vote for Bush.

I'm not sure if I'm making much sense, I know what I'm trying to say, but I'm not so sure I'm making it clear to everyone else.

[BLAZEr]

I met a couple of their friends from college who came by the office one day. Did you ever go to the PFL offices?

Actually, I only remember meeting a guy . . . but still, I have a bad memory.

[Carrie]

No, I never went to the office, but Patti helped me do a project for one of my classes showing how horrible abortion is. She provided me with so much great info from PFL! Let me guess, the guy you met was named Vinny and was going into the seminary? Vinny and the twins were really close. He and I did our senior thesis together as well. I miss them...I should e-mail them.

[smeagol]

So do you disagree with the Vatican on this subject?

i believe in such a thing as a just war. and yes i think the war in Iraq was justified. call me a heretic and burn me at the stake if you like but my conscience and reason tell me the war was justified. maybe some of the specifics were screwy but as a whole the war is justified imho.

it doesn't bother me that WMD havent been found (yet). why? because of the potential Saddam could have to unite terrorism and WMD. here's a quote from Tony Blair's address to the US Congress on July 18, 2003:

Can we be sure that terrorism and WMD will join together? Let us say one thing. If we are wrong, we will have destroyed a threat that, at its least is responsible for inhuman carnage and suffering. That is something I am confident history will forgive.

But if our critics are wrong, if we are right as I believe with every fibre of instinct and conviction I have that we are, and we do not act, then we will have hesitated in face of this menace, when we should have given leadership. That is something history will not forgive.

to fulfill my nerdness as a Smeagol/ Lord of the Rings fan i will leave you with a quote from Meriadoc Brandybuck:

The fires of Isengard will spread. And the woods of Tuckborough and Buckland will burn. And all that was once green and good in this world will be gone...

There won't BE a Shire, Pippin.

[Ash Wednesday]

What Fr. M. told us was that if the candidate didn't have a good chance of winning then to take votes away from the limit of evil thus, essentially giving votes to the bad guy, was sinful. Joe Schriner sounds like he'd be an amesome Prez, I would love to support him, but if he realistically has no chance of winning and to vote for him would land Kerry in office then one would have a moral obligation to vote for Bush.

I'm not sure if I'm making much sense, I know what I'm trying to say, but I'm not so sure I'm making it clear to everyone else.

No, what you say makes sense. Though would it also depend on one's circumstances in their own state, whether or not it is a close race there? I can imagine, for example, the whole Florida incident and the importance of voting for Bush. My state always, always goes Democrat. :sadder: That's why I wanted to vote for Joe. I voted for Bush last time and my state's electoral votes still went to Gore.

My parents voted for Poppa Bush in 88, and the state went to Dukakis. ::

If I have to vote for Bush, I would. Because I can't stand John Kerry. He is a disgrace. At the very least I'd like to donate to Joe's campaign, or something. :sadder: