Lil Red Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 yeah, i dunno what i'm gonna do about the next election. i'm kinda sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 same here. it makes me feel stressed to think about it. I can't vote for a Democrat but I can't vote for Bush either. It's something I'm going to have to pray long and hard about. Hopefully, God will reveal what he wants me to do (and as of right now, I can't imagine that being a vote for Bush). We'll see, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 A priest I know says that we have a moral responsibility to vote for Bush. The lesser of two evils, ya know? During the last election Fr. M. was insane about watching the news and making sure all his students voted. He said that you'd be morally responsible and in a state of sin if you voted otherwise, because to have voted for Gore you'd be furthering the pro-choice stand point and all. It woulda been nice to have Alan Keyes in office, but he never would have gotten it so if you voted for him that would have been a sin, too. It was crazy, if you'd heard him.... He even gave homilies about it. I can't remember exactly how he said it all, anymore, if I could I'm sure this would probably make alot more sense.... I understand where you guys are coming from. Sometimes I feel like he's rather.... dumb.... but given the other options we have there's no one else I'd vote for. No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeagol Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 FX2, you say Kerry isnt a true Catholic but give no explanation. i'm politely inquiring your reasons... ? there's more to vote on than just abortion. Abortion legislation is determined on the state level anyway. not that abortion isn't a big deal but talking to the state legislature would be a more effective way to go about changing the laws imo. although i support the war in iraq, i think the Bush admin could have done a much better job with diplomacy without stepping on so many people's toes in so many different ways. domestically, i think bush is a failure. especially concerning the economy and tax cuts. the rich are paying the lowest taxes they have been since 50 years ago. Thomas Friedman And please don't tell me the tax cuts are working. Of course they're working! If you put this much stimulus into our economy — three tax cuts, loose monetary policy and out-of-control spending — it will produce a boom. Eat 10 chocolate bars at once and you'll also get a rush. But at what long-term cost? Fareed Zakaria Journalist Mickey Kaus recently spoke with a senior federal official who said, "I've never seen an administration spend money like this... The money's flying out the door. I can barely keep up with it... They give money away on phone calls. No documents. No budget. It's the worst I've ever seen..." read these two articles too: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A62941-2003Jun15 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/...ain592330.shtml Kerry in 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 (edited) I think it's funny that all the democrats are squawking mad because Nader is running. AhAHAHAHAHAHA..... I don't mind Bush. I don't like all of his policies but I find him likeable as a person and his unapologetic way of standing up for faith and family. Now John Kerry makes my skin crawl and I bare my teeth and foam at the mouth. There is something about the Massachusetts-pseudo-Irish-pro-abortion-poser-Catholic-personally-opposed-but-I-vote-for-it-slimy-Democrat-liar-Kennedyish-disobedience that just irks me. That brand of Catholicism, particularly among the Kennedy family, was and still is an embarassment to faithful American Catholics out there that they pretend to represent. Edited February 23, 2004 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 Maybe I'm a little dense, but what exactly has Bush LIED about? All politicians lie to some extent because they promise things they can't possibly do, and people believe them. I just don't see how Bush is as big a liar as say...Clinton. I just don't know of any big thing he has lied about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I would also like to add that not only are the Democrats lying about Bush' military record, but Kerry himself, when protesting the war in Vietnam, threw someone else's medals over the fence, and he now has his own pinned up in his office for all to see as if he is proud of them. This just sickens me. Bush may not be perfect, I'm not saying he is anywhere near perfect, but at least he doesn't say he's Catholic and say he's for abortion, or protest the war and then parade around his own medals. And poor Edwards, he's hardly any worse. He's a trial lawyer....one that was involved in the recent suing of the tobacco companies. I just wish someone like Alan Keyes would run for president. Even as dumb as Bush appears he can't be that stupid, because just look at who he has surrounded himself with...people much much smarter than himself. A truly dumb person would not have the sense to do that. And I don't know about the rest of you guys but if I ever got up and made speeches for a living I know most people would think I'm a flipping moron. I guess I just don't understand why people hate Bush so much. Clinton made a mockery out of the United States by trying to define the word IS and blatantly LYING to the entire US on multiple occasions. So Bush isn't as eloquent as Clinton, I feel safer having him as a president. And don't even get me started on Hilary. That woman scares me to my very core. I've heard some people say Bush lied about the weapons of mass destruction, etc. I honestly don't think he lied because everyone around him was convinced as well INCLUDING the illustrious John Kerry - he of all people agreed with him....that Iraq was dangerous and had WMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 I don't see Bush as the greatest President but I am glad it was Bush in office and not Gore when everything happened. I will vote for him and he should choose Rice as a running mate. I do not totally agree with the Iraq mission but I can see the logic. Kind of like a behive approach. Anyone believed to be a threat will get stung regardless of innocence. Sends a message for good or not and we are talking about nations of people not two neighbors in the burbs who can't agree on the color of the fence. I believe his intentions were for the good of the country even if they were misguided. I would rather have a president fail with good intentions than one succeed with evil ones. My 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 (edited) [Okay, I've edited this post because I was a little angry and came across a little strong.] The Facts: -Close to 10, 000 civilians died because of the War in Iraq. -The Vatican condemned the war in Iraq, Bush ignored them and proceeded with the invasion. -I disagree with abortion, but I also disagree with War and Capitol Punishment. -Jesus said 'Turn the Other Cheek'. He taught forgiveness. -Catholicism is about a lot more than just Anti-Abortionism. -Anti-War, Non-Violence, Forgiveness and not Capitol Punishment, these are all Catholic values too. Have we already forgotten this? -I am trying forgive George W. Bush for the harm he has done to my country. Thank-you, that is all. Peace, -Thomas Edited February 24, 2004 by Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted February 23, 2004 Share Posted February 23, 2004 He's aiight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 George Bush is a good President, not every President is perfect of course... but he's better than some of the recent ones. It's usually the Liberal-Leftists that bash George Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 (edited) It's usually the Liberal-Leftists that bash George Bush. You say 'Liberal-Leftist' as if it's a bad thing...remember, Jesus was a dissident. -Thomas Edited February 24, 2004 by Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeagol Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 -Close to 10, 000 civilians died because of the War in Iraq. but how many have died while under Saddam's oppressive rule? if a peaceful, democratic state is set up, this will have been for the betterment of society although we had to endure temporary hardship. it's called sacrifice in the short term for a prosperous long term result. just imagine if other countries in the middle east became democratic too, using iraq as a model. this is our goal. if this is achieved it will all have been worth it. dont just give stats on how many civilians were killed during the war. tell me how many civilians Saddam and his regime have killed on average in the same time span and then we'll talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 but how many have died while under Saddam's oppressive rule? if a peaceful, democratic state is set up, this will have been for the betterment of society although we had to endure temporary hardship. it's called sacrifice in the short term for a prosperous long term result. just imagine if other countries in the middle east became democratic too, using iraq as a model. this is our goal. if this is achieved it will all have been worth it. dont just give stats on how many civilians were killed during the war. tell me how many civilians Saddam and his regime have killed on average in the same time span and then we'll talk. So do you disagree with the Vatican on this subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I would also like to add that not only are the Democrats lying about Bush' military record, but Kerry himself, when protesting the war in Vietnam, threw someone else's medals over the fence, and he now has his own pinned up in his office for all to see as if he is proud of them. This just sickens me. Bush may not be perfect, I'm not saying he is anywhere near perfect, but at least he doesn't say he's Catholic and say he's for abortion, or protest the war and then parade around his own medals. And poor Edwards, he's hardly any worse. He's a trial lawyer....one that was involved in the recent suing of the tobacco companies. I just wish someone like Alan Keyes would run for president. Even as dumb as Bush appears he can't be that stupid, because just look at who he has surrounded himself with...people much much smarter than himself. A truly dumb person would not have the sense to do that. And I don't know about the rest of you guys but if I ever got up and made speeches for a living I know most people would think I'm a flipping moron. I guess I just don't understand why people hate Bush so much. Clinton made a mockery out of the United States by trying to define the word IS and blatantly LYING to the entire US on multiple occasions. So Bush isn't as eloquent as Clinton, I feel safer having him as a president. And don't even get me started on Hilary. That woman scares me to my very core. I've heard some people say Bush lied about the weapons of mass destruction, etc. I honestly don't think he lied because everyone around him was convinced as well INCLUDING the illustrious John Kerry - he of all people agreed with him....that Iraq was dangerous and had WMD. WORD! i agree. I like President Bush. I do not agree with every policy he has put forth, but he has incredible courage to stand up for marriage, and for the unborn. He is not Catholic but his brother Jeb is...I am hoping maybe some of that will rub off on him. i agree. A priest I know says that we have a moral responsibility to vote for Bush. The lesser of two evils, ya know? During the last election Fr. M. was insane about watching the news and making sure all his students voted. He said that you'd be morally responsible and in a state of sin if you voted otherwise, because to have voted for Gore you'd be furthering the pro-choice stand point and all. It woulda been nice to have Alan Keyes in office, but he never would have gotten it so if you voted for him that would have been a sin, too. It was crazy, if you'd heard him.... He even gave homilies about it. I can't remember exactly how he said it all, anymore, if I could I'm sure this would probably make alot more sense.... I understand where you guys are coming from. Sometimes I feel like he's rather.... dumb.... but given the other options we have there's no one else I'd vote for. No one. i agree. i shudder at the thought of having someone else in office besides bush. i pray for him everyday! everyone else, like john kerry, seriously make me ill in the stomach. knownign that them or anyone can get into office and having the future of our country in their hands is the definition of scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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