MissScripture Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1515361' date='Apr 30 2008, 05:54 PM']Hmmm....is that what I said? Anyway, I think that you can be friends with people who have TOTALLY opposite views than you and it does not necessarily adversely-affect you. I have friends from all walks of life--atheists, Buddhists, Jews, lesbians, Democrats, Republicans, Catholics, Baptists, pastafarians, Matrixists-- and I value all of their friendships. I disagree with much of their worldviews, but I don't think their friendship makes me any less moral or any less Catholic. In fact, conversations with them have made me stronger in my faith because they've challenged me to think about what I believe, articulate my views, and answer questions that I didn't know. I'm not saying this is the case with Obama. But I'm telling you that being friends with people doesn't harm you.[/quote] I'm telling you that's a load of hooey. You cannot not be affected by the people you choose to spend time with and are friends with. I have friends that I do not agree with on everything, either, because we're human, and we're not going to agree on everything. They respect my beliefs and I respect theirs. We're not friends because of our religious or political affiliations, but because we enjoy each other's company and share some common interests. I'm sure you also don't have the same degree of friendship with everyone, so they're going to affect you less. But being friends with people CAN harm you A LOT. I guess you've just been REALLY lucky to never have had a harmful friendship, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1515979' date='May 1 2008, 02:55 PM']I'm telling you that's a load of hooey. You cannot not be affected by the people you choose to spend time with and are friends with. I have friends that I do not agree with on everything, either, because we're human, and we're not going to agree on everything. They respect my beliefs and I respect theirs. We're not friends because of our religious or political affiliations, but because we enjoy each other's company and share some common interests. I'm sure you also don't have the same degree of friendship with everyone, so they're going to affect you less. But being friends with people CAN harm you A LOT. I guess you've just been REALLY lucky to never have had a harmful friendship, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.[/quote] Absolutely. We can agree on almost all of your response there, Miss-S. Friendships with people that hold antithetical beliefs than you "can" be harmful, but not always. If you are strong enough in your views and in your faith, you may be less susceptible to the onslaught of moral relativism. Now, the only person who can tell whether or not you're affected by the friendships you have is [i]you.[/i] We can't crawl inside Obama's head and see what effect (if any) Rev. Wright has had on his ideals. It's unfair to assume that Obama is anything other than a faithful Christian whose moral conscience needs to be reformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 C'mon, Kujo, let's call it what it is. Some people are going to do everything in their power to dog on Obama and Clinton because... let's face it. It's not like there's lots of positive things to be said about the conservative in this race, so the only tactic available is to take every little negative news snippet about the democrats and RUN with it as long as they can. That's all this is... period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1516286' date='May 1 2008, 08:26 PM']C'mon, Kujo, let's call it what it is. Some people are going to do everything in their power to dog on Obama and Clinton because... let's face it. It's not like there's lots of positive things to be said about the conservative in this race, so the only tactic available is to take every little negative news snippet about the democrats and RUN with it as long as they can. That's all this is... period.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Alycin' post='1516286' date='May 1 2008, 06:26 PM']C'mon, Kujo, let's call it what it is. Some people are going to do everything in their power to dog on Obama and Clinton because... let's face it. It's not like there's lots of positive things to be said about the conservative in this race, so the only tactic available is to take every little negative news snippet about the democrats and RUN with it as long as they can. That's all this is... period.[/quote] I'd rather have a half bass conservative president than a wicked, evil and full fledge servant of Satan because they support butchering 50,000,000 children. Edited May 2, 2008 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 A very interesting clip related to the subject [url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Md2bf9DNVB4&feature=related"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Md2bf9DNVB4&feature=related[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1516406' date='May 1 2008, 11:47 PM']I'd rather have a half bass conservative president than a wicked, evil and full fledge servant of Satan because they support butchering 50,000,000 children.[/quote] Haha. I just LOLed, for real. Your hyperbole was incredibly entertaining... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 It is no exaggeration, to support the mass murder of 50,000,000 babies is very wicked and evil. Thus anyone who supports such wickedness has the devil as their father. John 8:44 - The words of Christ "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 50,000,000 is actully and understatement when we consider the numbers of aborted babies world wide. Number of abortions [b]per year[/b]: Approximately [b]46 Million[/b] Number of abortions [b]per day[/b]: Approximately [b]126,000[/b] [url="http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html"]source[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1516500' date='May 2 2008, 02:06 AM']It is no exaggeration, to support the mass murder of 50,000,000 babies is very wicked and evil. Thus anyone who supports such wickedness has the devil as their father. John 8:44 - The words of Christ "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof."[/quote] You don't think there's some wiggle room there? You don't think perhaps people who support abortion are good people seeking the best for the woman while suffering from the effects of an ill-formed conscience? I agree with your principle but think your rhetoric is dangerous and does more harm than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1516825' date='May 2 2008, 04:19 PM']You don't think there's some wiggle room there? You don't think perhaps people who support abortion are good people seeking the best for the woman while suffering from the effects of an ill-formed conscience? I agree with your principle but think your rhetoric is dangerous and does more harm than good.[/quote] Speaking of Clinton, and Obama, no, they have no accuses, both are wicked and evil for their support of the abortion holocaust. So long as they support it they will not be "good", it is not possible however ill-informed to support such a wicked act and be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 2, 2008 Share Posted May 2, 2008 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1516838' date='May 2 2008, 06:40 PM']Speaking of Clinton, and Obama, no, they have no accuses, both are wicked and evil for their support of the abortion holocaust. So long as they support it they will not be "good", it is not possible however ill-informed to support such a wicked act and be good.[/quote] I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 [quote name='kujo' post='1515870' date='May 2 2008, 01:38 AM']Okay, I think you put your foot in your mouth with that last part. Protestants don't real loyal to their congregation because they're not Catholic? Really? Can you substantiate this, or is this yet another example of Protestant-smacking on Phatmass?[/quote] Foot not in mouth, buddy. Substantiate my claim? All the Protestant churches that split over minor, irrelevant details aren't enough for you? Not everyone is Catholic and values the same things we do. I'm guessing your not from an area that was largely Protestant, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 [quote name='Justin86' post='1517004' date='May 3 2008, 12:10 AM']Foot not in mouth, buddy. Substantiate my claim? All the Protestant churches that split over minor, irrelevant details aren't enough for you? Not everyone is Catholic and values the same things we do. I'm guessing your not from an area that was largely Protestant, huh?[/quote] Wrong-o buddy. Mostly Jewish and First Baptists until a few years ago when the influx of Hispanics pulled a Justin Timberlake and brought Catholic back! Anyway, I think your view that Protestants lack loyalty speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted May 3, 2008 Share Posted May 3, 2008 Anyone watch the link? Obama takes his understanding from his pastor. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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