How Hillary Handles Crisis

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1469370' date='Feb 26 2008, 06:44 PM']But I'm not surprised about this thread...its about Hilary who for months have been saying "Look at my past to prove I am the next president". That really backed fired. [/quote]

Yeah, I think starting out she was touting "experience" and that I think may very well be her undoing as far as her own party is concerned. (That and just the general arrogance of supposed "inevitability") If I was a Democrat of that mindset deciding between her and Obama, I would probably support Obama. (But I'm not of that mindset, for the record.) To me the kind of change that Democrats want to see doesn't involve an extension of 20 years of Bushes and Clintons in the White House.

Heck I don't think most Republicans even want to see that!

[rkwright]

There are no constitutionally mandates on education for a president. Bush is qualified for the job. We've had presidents with less education. Even so, it doesn't even matter; Bush meets the requirements.

[Socrates]

For whatever it's worth, Bush got better grades in college than Al Gore (often regarded by the Left as some kind of intellectual genius).

Intelligent criticism of Bush's policies is one thing, but this endless harping on President Bush's allegedly low I.Q. and his verbal gaffes is really at a third-grade level, and is the refuge of people who have nothing intelligent to say themselves. Such talk is usually followed by lengthy discussions of how Bush looks like a monkey, and other such important issues.

Ok - I'm off to discuss the size of Obama's ears.

[BG45]

[quote name='Deb' post='1469407' date='Feb 26 2008, 07:12 PM'][i]So you think talking about something in the past is irrelevant, then if you want you can stop posting in the thread and go create about current ones.
[/i]

Why, when discussing this useless old one has been so much fun?[/quote]

Exactly. The only reason I even posted this was to start discussion and see if people thought this still had an impact. I've got a carload of reasons that are recent and viable to not like Hillary, no need to dredge up the past. However, I didn't see the turns this would all take heh...

[Deb]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1469536' date='Feb 26 2008, 08:56 PM']For whatever it's worth, Bush got better grades in college than Al Gore (often regarded by the Left as some kind of intellectual genius).

Intelligent criticism of Bush's policies is one thing, but this endless harping on President Bush's allegedly low I.Q. and his verbal gaffes is really at a third-grade level, and is the refuge of people who have nothing intelligent to say themselves. Such talk is usually followed by lengthy discussions of how Bush looks like a monkey, and other such important issues.

Ok - I'm off to discuss the size of Obama's ears.[/quote]

Like I said before, I tailor my musings to the level of my audience. So easy to get them going in their righteous defense of.....I'm not sure. I never did see anything to combat my claim regarding Bush's I.Q, level or competence as a President or ability to think or speak in a manner befitting a President. I can show you many photos where Bush does look just like a monkey too.
.....and you are wrong. Bush did not get better grades in college than Gore, although Gore was no Einstein himself. Check it out. I would provide you the info but, it has been a long day and my bed is calling me.
Wake me when you prove me wrong......just have Mlkolbe tell my cat and she will awaken me. I don't expect to hear from the cat before her 4:30 feeding time.

[Alycin]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1469484' date='Feb 26 2008, 07:56 PM']There are no constitutionally mandates on education for a president. Bush is qualified for the job. We've had presidents with less education. Even so, it doesn't even matter; Bush meets the requirements.[/quote]

Education and natural intellect are two very different things. I know some people who I would go so far as to consider near genius, that haven't even been to college. On the other hand, I know an abundance of college-educated people who aren't the brightest crayons Crayola has to offer.





[quote name='Socrates' post='1469536' date='Feb 26 2008, 08:56 PM']For whatever it's worth, Bush got better grades in college than Al Gore (often regarded by the Left as some kind of intellectual genius).[/quote]

Who has said Al Gore was a genius? I know I never have. Then again I'm more central than left. However, I have never, ever heard that Bush got better grades. Are you referring to his original grades or the altered copies of his final transcripts? (Do a google search if you're confused.)

[quote]Intelligent criticism of Bush's policies is one thing, but this endless harping on President Bush's allegedly low I.Q. and his verbal gaffes is really at a third-grade level,[/quote]

What? Bush's verbal gaffes are at the third grade level? Stop insulting third graders!

Only kidding. However, I agree that it's not fair to say he has a low IQ for certain... he may just be a terrible public speaker. My sister is a terrible public speaker and she is very smart.


[quote]and is the refuge of people who have nothing intelligent to say themselves.[/quote]

Okay, I'm sorry, but that's really, really funny coming from you... don't you have a contstant mantra of "Leftists are trying to destroy the world!!!" or something similar?

[quote]Such talk is usually followed by lengthy discussions of how Bush looks like a monkey, and other such important issues.[/quote]

I can't stand when people talk about looks, race, anything that someone is born with that can't be helped, so I'm totally with you here. On the other hand, when Kerry was running, I heard TONS of conservatives talk about his looks... perpetually. Soooo... it's on both sides.

[quote]Ok - I'm off to discuss the size of Obama's ears.[/quote]

Edited February 27, 2008 by Alycin

[XIX]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1469416' date='Feb 26 2008, 07:29 PM']Hahaha... Hitler was an amazing public speaker and you could probably call him intelligent... but pulling the Hitler card... isn't that something that only liberals are supposed to do? Compare/contrast Bush with Hitler?

I could compile a list with tons of amazing INTELLIGENT leaders if you want, that weren't nutjobs like Hitler. I will when I get off work if you really need evidence to counter your point... but I'm guessing you're smart enough to know that it was a very shaky one to begin with.[/quote]
My point was that one's intelligence is a very weak indicator of one's ability to lead a country. Not that intelligent people are evil. Where did I compare Bush with Hitler? I used Hitler as an example, but where is the comparison to Bush? Unless you thought I was saying that Bush was similarly intelligent?

And did I allude that I think only liberals think in a certain way? I could be a liberal for all you know. I might think Bush is a moron for all you know.

My point--and my only point--is that I'm not terribly concerned with the intelligence of a public leader.

You could compile a list of intelligent leaders who did good, I could compile a list of leaders who were destructive, someone else could compile a list of smart ninjas, someone else could counter with a list of intelligent Martians--but just being smart doesn't make somebody a good leader--it doesn't even help that much. Obviously, being an absolute moron will hurt you, as you won't have the intelligence to run any kind of successful campaign.

Bottom line, there are probably about as many smart nutjobs as there are smart saints in public office. Hence, there really isn't much of a correlation between intelligence and ability to lead. Maybe a correlation of 0.1 or 0.15 (out of 1.0), but that's it.

Edited February 27, 2008 by XIX

[Alycin]

[quote name='XIX' post='1469692' date='Feb 26 2008, 11:54 PM']My point was that one's intelligence is a very weak indicator of one's ability to lead a country. Not that intelligent people are evil. Where did I compare Bush with Hitler? I used Hitler as an example, but where is the comparison to Bush? Unless you thought I was saying that Bush was similarly intelligent?

And did I allude that I think only liberals think in a certain way? I could be a liberal for all you know. I might think Bush is a moron for all you know.

My point--and my only point--is that I'm not terribly concerned with the intelligence of a public leader.

You could compile a list of intelligent leaders who did good, I could compile a list of leaders who were destructive, someone else could compile a list of smart ninjas, someone else could counter with a list of intelligent Martians--but just being smart doesn't make somebody a good leader--it doesn't even help that much. Obviously, being an absolute moron will hurt you, as you won't have the intelligence to run any kind of successful campaign.

Bottom line, there are probably about as many smart nutjobs as there are smart saints in public office. Hence, there really isn't much of a correlation between intelligence and ability to lead. Maybe a correlation of 0.1 or 0.15 (out of 1.0), but that's it.[/quote]

I was being playful, as I had been in most of these posts, save my first two. Calm thyself, Iago!

Although on a serious note... I do think intelligence is important. Very important. It's not important in the sense of being able to get people to follow you, no, but when you're in a position that requires you to make lots of very important decisions... uhhhmmm.. yeah... intelligence is important.

ETA:

"Maybe a correlation of 0.1 or 0.15 (out of 1.0), but that's it. "

And exactly what formula did you use that led you to this conclusion? Or is this pure speculation?

Edited February 27, 2008 by Alycin

[XIX]

LOL. Pure speculation.


It was late.