How Hillary Handles Crisis

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1468855' date='Feb 26 2008, 01:56 AM']It is not pointless. Being aware of her history as a potential national public servant is important.

For a potential president to twist the law as a lawyer, what can we expect as a president?

There is a difference between giving someone a defense in a fair manner, and another of bullying the victim of abuse unfairly just to win a case.[/quote]

Sadly, that's what every defence lawyer does during a rape trial. The credibility of the victim goes under attack, which is why a lot of women are afraid of taking it to court. Either the man is guilty, or the woman is lying. The defence have to go with the second option.

I was interviewed by a detective constable over the repeated rape of one of my close friends, which took place when she was a child. When she was fourteen the abuser got her pregnant and punched her to make her miscarry. She became mentally ill and had to spent two years as a psychiatric inpatient. She's still very unwell now, which means that her schoolwork has suffered and she will probably never get to university, as was her dream. (She's a very clever girl.) The policewoman explained to me that the abuser's defence team would use my friend's stay in a psychiatric hospital as a way of discrediting her. "Mentally ill people can't distinguish between truth and lies." The fact that she hadn't told her parents about the abuse would be brought in to suggest that she had fabricated the story recently. "What child would put up with this and not say anything?" And I would be accused of being either her dupe or her accomplice, as I was quite a bit older and the first person my friend had told. The policewoman said that she had seen it all before. In her words: "It's like a game to them."

In short, Hillary did nothing that a typical lawyer wouldn't do, as unpalatable as that might seem. This is what happens in rape trials. It isn't just or right, but this is the reality of it.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote]It is the inability to even speak a sentence that anyone can understand.[/quote]

I don't think Bush (43) was our brightest president and I can understand questioning the issue of a leader (whether it's business, ministry, politics) being able to communicate clearly and decisively to people around him -- but just because someone is deficient in public speaking, articulation and pronunciation doesn't mean they are lacking in comprehension and intelligence. It's that kind of assumption that probably makes school a nightmare for stuttering kids.

Edited February 26, 2008 by Ash Wednesday

[Deb]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1469142' date='Feb 26 2008, 10:05 AM']I don't think Bush (43) was our brightest president and I can understand questioning the issue of a leader (whether it's business, ministry, politics) being able to communicate clearly and decisively to people around him -- but just because someone is deficient in public speaking, articulation and pronunciation doesn't mean they are lacking in comprehension and intelligence. It's that kind of assumption that probably makes school a nightmare for stuttering kids.[/quote]

Good thing we aren't discussing stuttering kids or anyone in school. We are discussing the President of the United States and only him. Don't turn this into an attack on all humans. I think everyone knows who I was referring to.

[Deb]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1469140' date='Feb 26 2008, 09:59 AM']Sadly, that's what every defence lawyer does during a rape trial. The credibility of the victim goes under attack, which is why a lot of women are afraid of taking it to court. Either the man is guilty, or the woman is lying. The defence have to go with the second option.

I was interviewed by a detective constable over the repeated rape of one of my close friends, which took place when she was a child. When she was fourteen the abuser got her pregnant and punched her to make her miscarry. She became mentally ill and had to spent two years as a psychiatric inpatient. She's still very unwell now, which means that her schoolwork has suffered and she will probably never get to university, as was her dream. (She's a very clever girl.) The policewoman explained to me that the abuser's defence team would use my friend's stay in a psychiatric hospital as a way of discrediting her. "Mentally ill people can't distinguish between truth and lies." The fact that she hadn't told her parents about the abuse would be brought in to suggest that she had fabricated the story recently. "What child would put up with this and not say anything?" And I would be accused of being either her dupe or her accomplice, as I was quite a bit older and the first person my friend had told. The policewoman said that she had seen it all before. In her words: "It's like a game to them."

In short, Hillary did nothing that a typical lawyer wouldn't do, as unpalatable as that might seem. This is what happens in rape trials. It isn't just or right, but this is the reality of it.[/quote]


I think that was part of my point with the justice system here in the U.S. The system is set up not to bring justice and truth but, to use the system so that the best lawyer can win.

I was a part of a group of five women who were going to sue our employer after we had filed charges against our boss. The EEOC had found in our favor on every charge. The whole process took so long that by the time or attorney got the records back from the Feds we had 15 days to file and our attorney decided he would have to do too much work on the case and didn't want to take it. We were faced with starting with a new attorney and filing in 15 days. This had been two years after the fact of eight women losing their jobs because they dared to speak out against a psychopathic misogynistic lunatic of a boss. We were all seeing psychologists because of the trauma we were put through working for this whacko and we were told that we would have to be willing to have our complete medical records for our entire lives opened, including psych records and to expect the employers attorneys to use anything they could against us in court regardless of whether or not it was recent or relevant. Everyone just said it wasn't worth it. We just had to offer it up and get on with our lives.
Most of us did, several are still suffering from the lack of justice and that was 15 years ago. Two just quit.
No, our justice system is a good one but, not necessarily a fair or just one.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Deb' post='1468916' date='Feb 25 2008, 09:09 PM']They do it all the time, they are just make it harder for someone to notice.[/quote]
You didn't use proper grammar. Does this mean you have a low IQ?

[quote name='Deb' post='1468946' date='Feb 25 2008, 09:45 PM']I don't know George Bush's exact I.Q. but, if I had to guess, it would not top three digits. What are my qualifications to discuss his I.Q.? HE IS MY PRESIDENT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!![/quote]
Sorry, but if you don't even have data, how do you have a qualification for judging his IQ?

[quote name='Deb' post='1469150' date='Feb 26 2008, 10:39 AM']Good thing we aren't discussing stuttering kids or anyone in school. We are discussing the President of the United States and only him. Don't turn this into an attack on all humans. I think everyone knows who I was referring to.[/quote]
You're the one saying that because one person can't speak well, he is an idiot. Why does that not apply to everyone?

[dUSt]

I can't speak front in of people but I can very well type more good and always come across as intiligent when I type. Does that make my have my IQ low?

[Deb]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1469171' date='Feb 26 2008, 11:16 AM']You didn't use proper grammar. Does this mean you have a low IQ?


[i][b]I try to write in the manner of those to whom I am addressing[/b]. [/i]

Sorry, but if you don't even have data, how do you have a qualification for judging his IQ?

[i][b]One does not need data to assess this man. If you want me to get you data, I can. I can do anything. I am sure there is a newspaper article out there about it. Give me a second.[/[/b]i]


You're the one saying that because one person can't speak well, he is an idiot. Why does that not apply to everyone?[/quote]

[i][b]Because I have not observed everyone. I have observed Monkey Man for way too many years and well, I think the world concurs, he is an idiot. If you do not believe him to be so, please give examples of his non-idiocy. [/b][/i]

Edited February 26, 2008 by Deb

[Deb]

[quote name='dUSt' post='1469190' date='Feb 26 2008, 11:48 AM']I can't speak front in of people but I can very well type more good and always come across as intiligent when I type. Does that make my have my IQ low?[/quote]


No, you are just special.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Deb' post='1469193' date='Feb 26 2008, 12:55 PM'][i][b]Because I have not observed everyone. I have observed Monkey Man for way too many years and well, I think the world concurs, he is an idiot. If you do not believe him to be so, please give examples of his non-idiocy. [/b][/i][/quote]
Such lovely christian charity on your part - monkey man?
He went to Harvard Business School and has an MBA from Yale.

[Deb]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1469200' date='Feb 26 2008, 12:24 PM']Such lovely christian charity on your part - monkey man?
He went to Harvard Business School and has an MBA from Yale.[/quote]


Just because I am christian does not mean that I have to delude myself into thinking someone is something more than they are. Bush is an idiot. You haven't disproven that to me yet. I still love him as a child of Christ and I pray that when he steps down from office, he leads a nice, happy life on his ranch and we never hear him again.

Bush got his degree from Yale. His parents couldn't buy him into Harvard after prep school. He graduated with a 2.35 grade point average. He never got one single A in four years of college. He then applied to the University of Texas law school and they rejected him. They his dad got him into the national guard to keep him out of Viet Nam. In 1973 Harvard accepted him into their MBA grad program. Now, Harvard has one of the most selective grad programs in the world, more so even then. How do you think he got into a Harvard Grad program? It wasn't because of his intellect. That is for sure. He bought his way in. Daddy and Granddaddy went ther and his father was big in the Republican party and Bush had his trust fund.

No one knows what Bush's college test scores were because hmmm, they seem to have lost them.

Having any type of degree does not mean you have a high I.Q., nor common sense or anything else. Just means you persevered enough to get through school. If you have no money worries at all and you don't have to work ever while going, college would be a breeze, even if you are stupid. Which he was and is.

Edited February 26, 2008 by Deb

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Deb' post='1469150' date='Feb 26 2008, 11:39 AM']Good thing we aren't discussing stuttering kids or anyone in school. We are discussing the President of the United States and only him. Don't turn this into an attack on all humans. I think everyone knows who I was referring to.[/quote]

There's no question here as far as who we are discussing. It does not change the fact that your argument is still flawed.

[Deb]

Actually, I think we were discussing the pointlessness of an article about something Hillary did in the course of her job over twenty years ago.
In that, I have made my point. That Bush's idocy crept into it was unfortunate but, kind of like the elephant in the room, sometimes people don't want to notice it.

[Alycin]

I'm sorry, but it really makes me laugh when people point out that he went to good schools.

If my daddy had the title Mr. President, you can bet I'd get into any school I wanted.



I think people ignored my post on the last page because I made a lot of really good points and there were no responses. That tends to happen a lot, though, when people have trouble debating me... they just ignore my posts.

[Deb]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1469226' date='Feb 26 2008, 01:25 PM']I'm sorry, but it really makes me laugh when people point out that he went to good schools.

If my daddy had the title Mr. President, you can bet I'd get into any school I wanted.



I think people ignored my post on the last page because I made a lot of really good points and there were no responses. That tends to happen a lot, though, when people have trouble debating me... they just ignore my posts.

[/quote]

Yes, it is humorous, where do you think people with money and power would go to school? What is funny is that Texas Law didn't want him but Harvard took him.

Sorry about your post. I think it came in while everyone was dog piling on me and I was scrambling to show them the error of their opinions. I have to go now so please, everyone, READ her post and dog pile on her for a while. Hand off has been made.

Edited February 26, 2008 by Deb

[Ash Wednesday]

Meh, I kind of shrugged off the article. I find some other things ol' Hill has done in years since to be just as troubling if not moreso but I am doubtful that she will take the Dem nomination, not that it matters to my vote.