How Hillary Handles Crisis

[Deb]

P.S. I did reread my post and I stated I did not find fault with Hillary in doing her job as she had to do. Not that I did not find fault with Hillary. Like I said, I am not voting for her, nor campaigning for her. I am just sick of the carp that comes out on any of them that is pointless, and just being used by people who do not have the time to actually find out about candidates and they just take a headline and use that for whatever pathetic policital damage they can do with it.
At least try and use something against them they have done in the last year.

[Deb]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1468971' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:05 PM']When you lose your youth and idealism, do you also lose the will to fight for anything good??? Do principals like justice go out the window? Or do you just go along with 'the reality of this world'.[/quote]


You never stop fighting. You just stop being deceived on what is required for that fight. There is no reality of this world, all is an illusion. The only reality is God. I pray and turn all over to him.

[jmjtina]

doing your job because you had no choice?

You make hillary sound oppressed by her job.

again, while you see no point in the article, I do. Pro-life isn't just about babies, but upholding the dignity of all human life. People who read the article should question her track record, that's the power of the internet.

Thank God Al Gore invented it.

Edited February 26, 2008 by jmjtina

[Deb]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1468971' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:05 PM']When you lose your youth and idealism, do you also lose the will to fight for anything good??? Do principals like justice go out the window? Or do you just go along with 'the reality of this world'.[/quote]

When you lose your idealism, you learn to fight in a way in which you may have a chance to win. You don't bury your head in the sand over what your obstacles are nor do you put all your fervor into thinking you will succeed.
Mostly, I just pray and turn it over to God. He is the only reality.

Edited February 26, 2008 by Deb

[Deb]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1468956' date='Feb 25 2008, 09:55 PM']I guess this means Deb is actually . . . a closet conservative!

I knew it!!![/quote]

I've been missing you!!! I love you too.

[rkwright]

[quote name='Deb' post='1468974' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:07 PM']Hmmm. This was all about the pointlessness of the article. About something that happened 20+ years ago. Doing your job as an attorney because you have no choice and if you do not do it to the BEST of your ability, you face losing your ability to practice law compared to what? What does abortion have to do with Hillary doing a job she had to do? I am saying you are idealistic to think that lawyers care. Please.
I am very much prolife and I am not idealistic about that either. It will take a constitutional amendment to get it stopped and that is not going to be easy. So, I am not pie in the sky positive about that. I will continue to work towards it and to pray and to help those harmed by it but, bringing an article about Hillary defending an alleged rapist (I wasn't there so I don't know his guilt or innocence) and turning it into an abortion discussion is pointless too. As pointless as the article, at this time, is to anything.

I can see your point but, it appears to be poking up from under your hat.[/quote]

What's with your comments about lawyers ... I care about people and doing the right thing.

[Deb]

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1468981' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:20 PM']doing your job because you had no choice?

You make hillary sound oppressed by her job.

again, while you see no point in the article, I do. Pro-life isn't just about babies, but upholding the dignity of all human life. People who read the article should question her track record, that's the power of the internet.

Thank God Al Gore invented it.[/quote]

You just keep doing it and doing it and doing it. You are just showing that you have lived by sound bites and lies and you keep repeating them and repeating them and you probably even believe them. You have no credibility at all with me. You don't get the issue so I am not wasting anymore time with that.
What I will bring to light is the utter carp that Gore EVER said he invented the internet. What he did say was, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet." This is a true statement. Seeing as the internet was created in the 70's for the military, it would be stupid to make the statement that he created it. He was saying he promoted it for more than military uses.
Yes, here are some quotes from people who know exactly what he did,,,,,
According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, [b]"The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that [b]without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."[/b]

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims [b]that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country.[/b]

[/b]I am positive the lie statement put out by the Bush camp made it to Texas but, I sure also that the truth never did because you would have to actually read past the headline.

Time for liturgy and prayers. I shall include you all in mine.

[Deb]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1468985' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:23 PM']What's with your comments about lawyers ... I care about people and doing the right thing.[/quote]

I personally love the lawyers that I have had. But, you read enough divorce decrees and you see that most lawyers, don't care about doing the right thing. Maybe just in divorce court.

[rkwright]

[quote name='Deb' post='1468994' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:34 PM']I personally love the lawyers that I have had. But, you read enough divorce decrees and you see that most lawyers, don't care about doing the right thing. Maybe just in divorce court.[/quote]

You go to a divorce court and say the lawyers don't care about doing the right thing? What about the two getting a divorce???

Lawyers aren't the problem; people are. Its not that lawyers don't care about doing the right thing, its that people don't care about doing the right thing. If put into any type of competitive situation, where the outcome has real effects, most people don't care about doing the right thing. It has nothing to with being a lawyer.

Don't lump us all together.

[Alycin]

I would just like to point out that if anyone is going to demonize Hilary for taking a COURT-APPOINTED case and doing her job and then say that that makes her less able to be a president, then, well... you might as well say that no defense attourney anywhere should be allowed to be president. Defense attorneys have dirty jobs and do you know why?

Because the justice system insists that a man is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Lawyers didn't create this system, they just play by it's rules.

People who are (probably) guilty of murder have to be found guilty [i]beyond a shadow of a doubt[/i]...

If every defense lawyer who thought their client was guilty refused to defend them, then the system would fall apart because every man is entitled to a fair trial, and a fair trial means that they get a lawyer who does their best to represent them.

If you don't like the system, that's fine, but blame the system, not the lawyer, for the way it works.


On another note...

I find it interesting that people drag up things that happened DECADES ago and say that that stuff is relevant. People can change in that amount of time. Nobody knows whether or not Mrs. Clinton regrets the manner in which that case played out.

As I've mentioned in a thread about Obama... there are plenty of valid, current reasons not to vote for either of the democratic candidates... the fact that some people feel the need to drag up things that happened half a lifetime ago in order to try to demonize people... well that says that maybe you think that the current and valid issues aren't enough to convince people not to vote for them? That maybe a credible case against them with the issues at hand aren't enough? I don't know. I don't get it.

So Bush did a lot of coke in college or whenever. Who cares? That's not why I don't care for him... I have enough reasons having to do with things that happened in the past few years that I don't need to drag up things from his past that he may or may not regret and wish he hadn't done.

And last but not least... as for Bush and his low IQ/poor public speaking skills....

I would much rather have an intelligent AND honest man for president if I could. But if I had to choose between a man that was a complete jerk and lied about his personal life or his past but was very smart and capable of being president, or a man who was always honest but was an idiot... sorry, but I'd choose the former... just like if I needed major surgery and had to choose between an amazing surgeon who was a liar, or someone still going to school to be one who was honest. All I would care about is whether or not they would do their job and do it WELL when it came down to it.

**Edited because I used a double negative, and to add WELL to that last sentence.

Edited February 26, 2008 by Alycin

[jmjtina]

It was never about if I had any credibility with you.

It was about the good that came from the article, that was the issue.

And talking about the present, hillary relied on the past herself when she spoke here recently.

The irony would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[Alycin]

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1469005' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:50 PM']It was never about if I had any credibility with you.

It was about the good that came from the article, that was the issue.

And talking about the present, hillary relied on the past herself when she spoke here recently.

The irony would be funny if it wasn't so sad.[/quote]

Wait, are you talking to me? I wasn't addressing you in particular in my post just everyone in general....

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1468855' date='Feb 25 2008, 07:56 PM']It is not pointless. Being aware of her history as a potential national public servant is important.

For a potential president to twist the law as a lawyer, what can we expect as a president?

There is a difference between giving someone a defense in a fair manner, and another of bullying the victim of abuse unfairly just to win a case. Organizations are everywhere so they can help the victim as lawyers go through loopholes and paperwork to procrastinate the court date to wear the victim down. The longer it takes, the less likely the victim is going to testify and a rapist goes free. Talk with the families who have seen the irony of the "justice" system played through twisted little lawyers who are more interested in a winning streak than justice for someone's daughter who was brutally and cruelly victimized. Abortion? She just :throws out how babies are being killed and women are being victimized? How is that a public servant action? The list goes on.......we can pick alot of the things more recently, but sadly history does follow her track record to date.

What some may think is pointless, I think even in her track record there is evidence that the term "public servant" is not about the people at all, but about her: winning at all costs even if someone is served injustice on a silver platter.

So while you even state that the innocent are treated badly and justice is determined by the rich and best lawyers but find no fault in Hillary, I find fault with her for contributing to the "unjust" system that is determined by money and power that continues to victimize the innocent and poor today.[/quote]



[quote name='rkwright' post='1468971' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:05 PM']When you lose your youth and idealism, do you also lose the will to fight for anything good??? Do principals like justice go out the window? Or do you just go along with 'the reality of this world'.[/quote]



[quote name='jmjtina' post='1468981' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:20 PM']doing your job because you had no choice?

You make hillary sound oppressed by her job.

again, while you see no point in the article, I do. Pro-life isn't just about babies, but upholding the dignity of all human life. People who read the article should question her track record, that's the power of the internet.

Thank God Al Gore invented it.[/quote]

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Deb' post='1468916' date='Feb 25 2008, 09:09 PM']They do it all the time, they are just make it harder for someone to notice.[/quote]
They are better at deceiving?

[quote name='Deb' post='1468946' date='Feb 25 2008, 09:45 PM']I don't know George Bush's exact I.Q. but, if I had to guess, it would not top three digits. What are my qualifications to discuss his I.Q.? HE IS MY PRESIDENT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

This is how he talks:

.......[/quote]
You clearly do not understand how an I.Q. test works. Equating public speaking ability with intelligence is foolish. Do we think dairygirl's IQ is under 100 just because she can't put together a coherent post? No. Utter lunacy.

Edited February 26, 2008 by notardillacid

[Deb]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1469085' date='Feb 26 2008, 06:15 AM']They are better at deceiving?


You clearly do not understand how an I.Q. test works. Equating public speaking ability with intelligence is foolish. Do we think dairygirl's IQ is under 100 just because she can't put together a coherent post? No. Utter lunacy.[/quote]

I do understand how an I.Q. test works. I have taken them. Bush's inability to comprehend the meaning of words shows his lack of intelligence whether he is speaking publically or not. Misspelling a word (unless it is potato) or being grammatically incorrect when writing is not the issue. It is the inability to even speak a sentence that anyone can understand. He is the President! Are you telling me you think he is a very smart guy? Come on. Be honest.

Are you saying Dairygirl cannot put together a coherent post?