XIX Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1468596' date='Feb 25 2008, 12:51 PM']Again, remarks used just to inflame.[/quote] [quote]I was more concerned about his low I.Q.[/quote] oops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 Thanks for posting the link Deb, for some reason it cut off the 'y' in story in my html code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1468587' date='Feb 25 2008, 11:38 AM']Picking out little bits to inflame is such a conservative method.[/quote] Right, I've never seen a liberal do this. They are just lil saints lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 "[u][b]court-appointed[/b][/u]".... don't you people watch Law & Order? Deb already pretty much said everything that needed to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1468587' date='Feb 25 2008, 11:38 AM']If you want to read the entire article, here it is..... [url="http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-usark245589997feb24,0,2934440,print.stor"]http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny...440,print.story[/url] Picking out little bits to inflame is such a conservative method. Put it all in context and let people make up their own minds. To start with, she was given this case by a Judge. She did not want it but, she did her job as was required under the law and she did it well. I can't find fault with her for that at all.[/quote] [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1468630' date='Feb 25 2008, 01:30 PM']And liberals never do that? [/quote] [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1468637' date='Feb 25 2008, 01:44 PM']No, they don't. All liberals are kind and sweet and would never do anything wrong, unlike those nasty conservatives.[/quote] [quote name='notardillacid' post='1468675' date='Feb 25 2008, 03:06 PM']Right, I've never seen a liberal do this. They are just lil saints lol[/quote] I think its time people start sticking up for truth rather than just saying 'you do it too'. If its wrong, we have a duty to acknowledge it, regardless of the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 (edited) It is not pointless. Being aware of her history as a potential national public servant is important. For a potential president to twist the law as a lawyer, what can we expect as a president? There is a difference between giving someone a defense in a fair manner, and another of bullying the victim of abuse unfairly just to win a case. Organizations are everywhere so they can help the victim as lawyers go through loopholes and paperwork to procrastinate the court date to wear the victim down. The longer it takes, the less likely the victim is going to testify and a rapist goes free. Talk with the families who have seen the irony of the "justice" system played through twisted little lawyers who are more interested in a winning streak than justice for someone's daughter who was brutally and cruelly victimized. Abortion? She just throws out how babies are being killed and women are being victimized? How is that a public servant action? The list goes on.......we can pick alot of the things more recently, but sadly history does follow her track record to date. What some may think is pointless, I think even in her track record there is evidence that the term "public servant" is not about the people at all, but about her: winning at all costs even if someone is served injustice on a silver platter. So while you even state that the innocent are treated badly and justice is determined by the rich and best lawyers but find no fault in Hillary, I find fault with her for contributing to the "unjust" system that is determined by money and power that continues to victimize the innocent and poor today. Edited February 26, 2008 by jmjtina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1468630' date='Feb 25 2008, 01:30 PM']And liberals never do that? [/quote] They do it all the time, they are just make it harder for someone to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 QUOTE(Deb @ Feb 25 2008, 12:51 PM) [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?act=findpost&pid=1468596"][img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/style_images/ip.boardpr/post_snapback.gif[/img][/url]Again, remarks used just to inflame. QUOTEI was more concerned about his low I.Q. oops... If someone becomes inflamed when a fact is stated, that is their problem, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 (edited) [quote name='jmjtina' post='1468855' date='Feb 25 2008, 07:56 PM']It is not pointless. Being aware of her history as a potential national public servant is important. For a potential president to twist the law as a lawyer, what can we expect as a president? There is a difference between giving someone a defense in a fair manner, and another of bullying the victim of abuse unfairly just to win a case. Organizations are everywhere so they can help the victim as lawyers go through loopholes and paperwork to procrastinate the court date to wear the victim down. The longer it takes, the less likely the victim is going to testify and a rapist goes free. Talk with the families who have seen the irony of the "justice" system played through twisted little lawyers who are more interested in a winning streak than justice for someone's daughter who was brutally and cruelly victimized. Abortion? She just throws out how babies are being killed and women are being victimized? How is that a public servant action? The list goes on.......we can pick alot of the things more recently, but sadly history does follow her track record to date. What some may think is pointless, I think even in her track record there is evidence that the term "public servant" is not about the people at all, but about her: winning at all costs even if someone is served injustice on a silver platter. So while you even state that the innocent are treated badly and justice is determined by the rich and best lawyers but find no fault in Hillary, I find fault with her for contributing to the "unjust" system that is determined by money and power that continues to victimize the innocent and poor today.[/quote] First, you assume I don't find any fault with Hillary. Never said that. I'm won't be voting for her. I was just saying this article was pointless and I still believe it was. I am not sure that you actually are aware of the reality of this world but, how can you actually type, "give someone a defense in a fair manner," without spitting out your drink? That isn't what any lawyer does. Come on, if you are still that idealistic, I am happy and I hope that works for you. I once had a prosecutor (who used to be a defense attorney) tell me that lawyers usually never want to know if their client is guilty or innocent. All they want to do when they get to court is to win. He also said that nothing feels as good as walking out of a courtroom with a not guilty when you know your client is guilty. I almost cried when he told me that. Course, I was young and idealistic then. Hillary is no saint but, doing your all in your job and winning is not a crime. If it was, probably every politician in office would be in prison. When it comes to the Presidency, everyone running will do whatever, at any cost to win. McCain used to be a good guy. He changed every single one of his stances to get to where he is. In 1999 he was totally against trying to overturn Roe.V.Wade. In 2006, he thought there should be abortion available for rape, incest etc. Now, he wants Roe. V. Wade overturned. Bush and Rove put out that McCain had a black child from an affair and it cost McCain the 2000 nomination. That was just one of the many nasty things Bush did to get into office. Running for President isn't a game and it isn't made up of people who don't want to win and aren't willing to sacrifice others to do it. I don't have to talk to the families of victims. I know them. I will never forget my girlfriend getting her brains blown out by her boyfriend when she went to break up with him or my brother's co-worker who was beaten to death by her boyfriend when she went to break up with him. I won't forget the hundreds of women over the last 27 years who I have interviewed as they stay in battered women's shelters or even in WPP. Trust me, a case Hillary worked on 20+ years ago, that she had to take is pointless to her being President. She may have many faults right now and they should be looked at but, this one, not even close to meeting a newspaper article. Which explains how pathetic our media really is. Edited February 26, 2008 by Deb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1468919' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:12 PM']QUOTE(Deb @ Feb 25 2008, 12:51 PM) [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?act=findpost&pid=1468596"][img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/style_images/ip.boardpr/post_snapback.gif[/img][/url]Again, remarks used just to inflame. QUOTEI was more concerned about his low I.Q. oops... If someone becomes inflamed when a fact is stated, that is their problem, not mine.[/quote] Fact? How would you know the Presidents IQ? What are your qualifications to discuss his IQ? Do you think a high IQ makes someone a better human being? I'll take an honest man over a so-called "genius" any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1468931' date='Feb 25 2008, 09:29 PM']Fact? How would you know the Presidents IQ? What are your qualifications to discuss his IQ? Do you think a high IQ makes someone a better human being? I'll take an honest man over a so-called "genius" any day of the week.[/quote] I don't know George Bush's exact I.Q. but, if I had to guess, it would not top three digits. What are my qualifications to discuss his I.Q.? HE IS MY PRESIDENT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! This is how he talks: [size=2][font="Verdana"]"I can press when there needs to be pressed; I can hold hands when there needs to be -- hold hands." --George W. Bush, on how he can contribute to the Middle East peace process, Washington, D.C., Jan. 4, 2008[/font][/size] Yeah, I want this guy working on a middle east peace agreement. No No No NO. Sometimes, he says really profound things like: [b]"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work." --George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007 [/b] Please don't let him have anything to do with our economy. My fav though, ya gotta love him.... [b]"I heard somebody say, 'Where's (Nelson) Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead. Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." --George W[/b]. [b]Bush, on the former South African president, who is still very much alive, Washington [/b]Now, if that above statement screams high I.Q. to you, so be it. You can marry your honest man with no I.Q. if you want but, I prefer my President's to have a brain, to be able to find other countries on a map, to be able to speak and pronounce words and to know what those words mean, to read a book the right side up and to not choke on pretzels. I would also like them to not start wars they have no reason for starting and no way to end. I would like them to not take all this extra money we have and turn it into the biggest deficit of the history of the United States. Plus, if you believe Bush is an honest man, and I kind of do, it goes right along with him being the stupidest President we have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 [quote name='T-Bone _' post='1468637' date='Feb 25 2008, 02:44 PM']No, they don't. All liberals are kind and sweet and would never do anything wrong, unlike those nasty conservatives.[/quote] I guess this means Deb is actually . . . a closet conservative! I knew it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 (edited) you might want to re-read [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s=&showtopic=77487&view=findpost&p=1468587"]your post.[/url] It's legal to have an abortion. That's a reality as well. With your own logic, you call pro-life people idealistic as well for wanting a change. What used to make you cry now receives a job well done? My point: history just confirms her track record and reputation. Edited February 26, 2008 by jmjtina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1468928' date='Feb 25 2008, 09:24 PM']I am not sure that you actually are aware of the reality of this world but, how can you actually type, "give someone a defense in a fair manner," without spitting out your drink? That isn't what any lawyer does. Come on, if you are still that idealistic, I am happy and I hope that works for you. I once had a prosecutor (who used to be a defense attorney) tell me that lawyers usually never want to know if their client is guilty or innocent. All they want to do when they get to court is to win. He also said that nothing feels as good as walking out of a courtroom with a not guilty when you know your client is guilty. I almost cried when he told me that. Course, I was young and idealistic then.[/quote] When you lose your youth and idealism, do you also lose the will to fight for anything good??? Do principals like justice go out the window? Or do you just go along with 'the reality of this world'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 [quote name='jmjtina' post='1468968' date='Feb 25 2008, 10:00 PM']you might want to re-read [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s=&showtopic=77487&view=findpost&p=1468587"]your post.[/url] A job well done? Since when does bullying victims grant anyone the recognition of "a job well done"? It's legal to have an abortion. That's a reality as well. With your own logic, you call pro-life people idealistic as well for wanting a change. My point: history just confirms her track record and reputation.[/quote] Hmmm. This was all about the pointlessness of the article. About something that happened 20+ years ago. Doing your job as an attorney because you have no choice and if you do not do it to the BEST of your ability, you face losing your ability to practice law compared to what? What does abortion have to do with Hillary doing a job she had to do? I am saying you are idealistic to think that lawyers care. Please. I am very much prolife and I am not idealistic about that either. It will take a constitutional amendment to get it stopped and that is not going to be easy. So, I am not pie in the sky positive about that. I will continue to work towards it and to pray and to help those harmed by it but, bringing an article about Hillary defending an alleged rapist (I wasn't there so I don't know his guilt or innocence) and turning it into an abortion discussion is pointless too. As pointless as the article, at this time, is to anything. I can see your point but, it appears to be poking up from under your hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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