Female Referee Removed From Game By Sspx

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Veritas' post='1463380' date='Feb 15 2008, 01:35 PM']+

People have a lot of opinions so far, but by and large, provide no support for their stance, which makes them not very convincing. We are arguing about principle, which is what this group of folks is standing on -a matter of principle.[/quote]
The problem is their faulty interpretation of principle. So they must also refuse to listen to female cops, female judges, female docters, Mother Superior and the Blessed Virgin Mary.
But this is what happens when you jump ship and swim with the sharks.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1463294' date='Feb 15 2008, 08:26 AM']It is questionable whether or not they are excommunicated. Just go to the SSPX website and read the FAQs on the left hand for their view using Canon Law - it is highly convincing.[/quote]

Except according to true Catholic theology (as we were reminded infallibly by Vatican I) the Pope has final say.

No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Veritas' post='1463380' date='Feb 15 2008, 12:35 PM']+

People have a lot of opinions so far, but by and large, provide no support for their stance, which makes them not very convincing. We are arguing about principle, which is what this group of folks is standing on -a matter of principle.[/quote]

See, I'm a true liberal. I included both possibilities in my post.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='qfnol31' post='1462681' date='Feb 14 2008, 08:16 PM']It was imprudent to join an organization that has women refs if they knew it would eventually be a problem.

It should have been addressed well in advance of the game and shows [b]lack[/b] of foresight to wait until the last possible moment to make their ideas known.

However, if they did voice their concerns when joining the association and the heads of the organization still permitted them to join, then the school should be allowed to tell her no.[/quote]

Stupid Q, lack of foresight.

[Veritas]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1463385' date='Feb 15 2008, 12:54 PM']The problem is their faulty interpretation of principle. So they must also refuse to listen to female cops, female judges, female docters, Mother Superior and the Blessed Virgin Mary.
But this is what happens when you jump ship and swim with the sharks.[/quote]

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the argument could be made, that this applies where it is in their power to do so. The rules of civil law, for example, as being Biblically commanded to follow, may negate the fact that there is female authority as a conduit.

An applicable example for us Catholic non-sspx'ers might be tax-payer funded abortions. We are obligated to render to Caesar what is Caesars. We are also obligated not to support abortions. We realize that some of our tax money goes to this purpose, but we judge that it is incumbent upon us to follow the law (with certain exceptions).

[Veritas]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1463337' date='Feb 15 2008, 10:32 AM']St. Mary's shouldn't get to play anymore.[/quote]

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That's a non sequitor -and dangerous to the freedom of religion.

[cmotherofpirl]

But its not biblical, Israel had female judges, and Mary had Jesus turn water into wine. Do you think Jesus ever disregarded what his mum wanted. Did not popes listen to women saints?

[Veritas]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1463402' date='Feb 15 2008, 01:22 PM']But its not biblical, Israel had female judges, and Mary had Jesus turn water into wine. Do you think Jesus ever disregarded what his mum wanted. Did not popes listen to women saints?[/quote]

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It's not whether or not they listened to them, it's whether they were in binding positions of authority.

[Deb]

St. Mary's should be banned. If this is what they are teaching their students, they will have a very hard time once they are out in the real world. Unless they are all going to be Priests or Religious, they are most likely going to be working for a woman at some point.
It is a load of B.S. This is basketball folks, not a monastery. What a bunch of turds.

[Veritas]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1463402' date='Feb 15 2008, 01:22 PM']But its not biblical, Israel had female judges, and Mary had Jesus turn water into wine. Do you think Jesus ever disregarded what his mum wanted. Did not popes listen to women saints?[/quote]

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I'm not saying their hermeneutics are accurate, but given this text and others, the position is understandable or at least arguable. Here is a quote from the NAB from 1 Timothy, Chapter 2:

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A woman must receive instruction silently and under complete control.
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I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. 4 She must be quiet.
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For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14
Further, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed.
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But she will be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

[url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1timothy/1timothy2.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1timothy/1timothy2.htm[/url]

[Veritas]

[quote name='Deb' post='1463404' date='Feb 15 2008, 01:26 PM']St. Mary's should be banned. If this is what they are teaching their students, they will have a very hard time once they are out in the real world. Unless they are all going to be Priests or Religious, they are most likely going to be working for a woman at some point.
It is a load of B.S. This is basketball folks, not a monastery. What a bunch of turds.[/quote]

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This is so interesting. I think it very much represents the idea of much of the left today: We don't agree with it (in the name of tolerance and diversity, usually), so, let's ban it! Self-contradictory to say the least. Freedom of conscience, even in error.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Veritas' post='1463406' date='Feb 15 2008, 02:30 PM']+

I'm not saying their hermeneutics are accurate, but given this text and others, the position is understandable or at least arguable. Here is a quote from the NAB from 1 Timothy, Chapter 2:

11
A woman must receive instruction silently and under complete control.
12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. 4 She must be quiet.
13
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14
Further, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed.
15
But she will be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

[url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1timothy/1timothy2.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1timothy/1timothy2.htm[/url][/quote]
lol. HOW did they miss 16 years of being taught by nuns???

[Veritas]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1463410' date='Feb 15 2008, 01:34 PM']lol. HOW did they miss 16 years of being taught by nuns???[/quote]

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GREAT question!

[Deb]

[quote name='Veritas' post='1463408' date='Feb 15 2008, 01:32 PM']+

This is so interesting. I think it very much represents the idea of much of the left today: We don't agree with it (in the name of tolerance and diversity, usually), so, let's ban it! Self-contradictory to say the least. Freedom of conscience, even in error.[/quote]


Please, you can't tell me that the rest of the Catholic world would consider this a valid reason to toss an official out of a game. If you can't play like the other boys, then you don't play at all. It is not self-contraditory at all and has nothing to do with the dictates of the Catholic Faith. It is just anal.

[goldenchild17]

I can see both sides of the argument so I don't have an opinion. I think veritas is bringing up some interesting points that really aren't being properly addressed.