fides quarens intellectum Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 This one popped up on Wired Catholic today - just wondering what you guys think. [quote]Reaganites for Obama? Sorry, McCain. Barack Obama is a natural for the Catholic vote. By Douglas W. Kmiec Posted Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2008, at 1:29 PM ET Barack Obama My dear late mother would say: "Steer clear of mixing religion and politics in public discussions." Sorry, Mom, but the mix is unavoidable. Religion shapes us, and politics is our addictive national reality show. In any event, my faith, Catholicism, teaches that pluralism is enhanced, not threatened, when religions talk to one another. Apparently, we're pretty persuasive. Catholics have been on the side of the top vote-getter (who, as we know from playing hanging chad, is not always the winner) in the last nine presidential elections. The Electoral College and the Supreme Court threw us a curve in 2000, but many Catholics probably put their choice of Al Gore in the "you can't blame us" department. Unlike our Jewish brothers and sisters who trend Democratic, and our Protestant friends who regularly populate Republican ranks, we're the ultimate flip-floppers, picking Republicans five times and Democrats four since 1972. Naturally, this led me straight to supporting Mitt Romney, whom McCain once snidely called "the real candidate of change," claiming that the governor changed positions more often than the rest of them (which from where I sit is a bit like asserting the Atlantic is wetter than the Pacific).[/quote] [url="http://www.slate.com/id/2184378/"]Full Article Here[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides quarens intellectum Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 (edited) sorry for the typo - "barak" should be "Barak" - nothing meant by that one. Edited February 14, 2008 by fides quarens intellectum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismas Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 [sarcasm]Barak Obama is for whatever you think is good, and against anything you think is bad. Barak Obama is for changing the change of changing change in these times of change! Hope in the change of change! Changechangechangechangechangechange! Death to substance! Death to ideas! All hail Barak Obama![/sarcasm] Well, provided he doesn't get assassinated by a "right wing conspirator" who happens to be one of Hillary's goons, he's gonna be our next president. And we thought we had it bad under Carter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides quarens intellectum Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 [sarcasm] Well, i guess we should do as the article hints at, then, and vote for him. That way, Catholics will have been on the winning side of the top vote-getter for ten straight presidential elections! Something to be proud of! [sarcasm] Obama scares me - what are his real motives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Well I was expecting worse... but what I got from this is more a bad name for us as Catholics. If he's right we flip flop on candidates, meaning we're probably not voting with Catholic issues in mind. If we voted with Catholic issues in mind, say pro-life issues, I doubt our voting record would be like that... I'd like to go back and look at who won the majority votes those years, but just making an educated guess that means that Catholics as a whole... Voted for Clinton, twice... Voted for Gore... If this guy is correct, Catholics stay the course, and the polls are correct right now... Catholics as a whole would vote for Obama. Thats sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismas Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 [quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1461735' date='Feb 13 2008, 10:08 PM']Obama scares me - what are his real motives?[/quote] Oh, just your typical liberal megalomania - he wants to be your master, your god, your everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides quarens intellectum Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 interesting you should select the word "master" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dismas Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 [quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1461882' date='Feb 13 2008, 11:11 PM']interesting you should select the word "master"[/quote] Why? It's what John Kerry wanted too, and I said it back then as well. I will note that the black on white racism is a reflection of the racism they received. That it powers the Democratic Party, the very party that blocked abolition, anti-lynching, and equal rights for over a century is only ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides quarens intellectum Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 actually, that's not why i found it interesting - sorry, i should have explained - i was refering to all the gossip about Obama being a closet Muslim. Muslims, of course, view God as Master, not Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 bill clinton once said "democrats fall in love, and republicans fall in line" fortunately for me, i'm neither of those and can claim immunity from the mindlessness. (while acknowleding the generalization he made is not applicable to all dem and repubs, but as a gneeralization is generally true) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 [quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1461735' date='Feb 13 2008, 10:08 PM']Obama scares me - what are his real motives?[/quote] Obama's church scares me: [url="http://www.tucc.org/"]http://www.tucc.org/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blovedwolfofgod Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 i think catholics flip flop so much due to one criteria. if you were baptised catholic, you call yourself catholic unless you converted to a protestant, anti-catholic sect. with 30% church attendance in the US, that means 70% dont really care. Of the other 30%, some go to church and are totally different in church than they are everywhere else. or they hate the pope, the magisterium, and being told whats right and wrong but go to church out of a sense of duty. then there are the people that actually look at candidates and look the Teachings, then vote third party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 So does anyone want to write a response and send it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 [quote name='dUSt' post='1462020' date='Feb 14 2008, 02:52 AM']Obama's church scares me: [url="http://www.tucc.org/"]http://www.tucc.org/[/url][/quote] Which particular part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides quarens intellectum Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 [quote name='dUSt' post='1462020' date='Feb 14 2008, 12:52 AM']Obama's church scares me: [url="http://www.tucc.org/"]http://www.tucc.org/[/url][/quote] Thanks for the link - wow. Love how the only non-churchgoer highlighted in the promotional video clip, and their mission statement, is WEB DuBois - what?! Does that mean that Obama belongs to what DuBois called the "talented tenth?" Was DuBois "absolutely correct" about that as well? So much of what DuBois said no longer applies, or has been criticized from within African American scholarship - i don't understand why that's the only person they'd lift up/refer to. Also, i happen to have a Master's in History, and i don't even know if i understand their vision point on the "historical education of African people in diaspora" - naturally, i'm all for people brushing up on history, but i can't imagine looking to my parish for courses in secular world history - especially as one of their ten focus areas? i see they also offer dance classes and IT training, but not as one of their ten vision points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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