How Contraception Fails Women

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[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1454161' date='Feb 1 2008, 02:08 PM']Some dioceses make it optional depending on the age of the couple.[/quote]

But we are in the same diocese

As far as I knew it is a mandatory component of all the programs here. That is why Chad and I get hired so often. Not many people do the talk around here except us.

[CatherineM]

St. Alphonsus, two years ago and two weeks ago. We were required to take the weekend marriage prep session for those that are older than 35 or had a previous marriage and not the longer one for younger people. They gave us a brochure for NFP, that's it. After 3 miscarriages, the doctor told my husband that if he didn't want to be a widower that we'd better quit trying (we weren't but no one seems to believe that because most people our age don't get pregnant by accident, or without some serious fertility treatments).

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1454196' date='Feb 1 2008, 04:35 PM']I was at the gym yesterday was reading from a Glamour magazine from 2005 that had an article stating the benefits of a woman knowing her cycle and having fertility awareness. Apparently this is something that not many women pay attention to. What killed me was in the article it said "Did you know that there's only a few days out of the month where you are actually fertile? If you're using contraception but still want to play it safe, you can always abstain during the days there are signs you are most fertile as an extra precaution"

Gee, really!
I was a birth control baby as well. Not that I entirely blame the parentals, as the priest (along with so many priests in the 70s) told them it was "okay."God always has the last word![/quote]
Doesn't the pill mask the fertility cycles, though? So, how would a woman know when to "play it safe?"

[HeavenlyCalling]

Perhaps someone can clarify for me, I thought natural family planning was only supposed to be used when there was a question of the hurting the mother or prospective children ( for example my mother was required to take pills that would cause a child to have severe mental and physical problems should one be concieved ) and NOT for use when the couple simply does not feel ready for a child. If someone could give me some CCC quotes, that would be good too ( my mother took our copy to a Bible study :-( )

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[quote name='MissScripture' post='1454241' date='Feb 1 2008, 04:45 PM']Doesn't the pill mask the fertility cycles, though? So, how would a woman know when to "play it safe?"[/quote]

Yes and no. It changes a woman's mucus to not as fertile, but (especially on months that she HAS ovulated), women naturally get fertile mucus patterns. This is probably what they are referring to.

[quote name='HeavenlyCalling' post='1454242' date='Feb 1 2008, 04:45 PM']Perhaps someone can clarify for me, I thought natural family planning was only supposed to be used when there was a question of the hurting the mother or prospective children ( for example my mother was required to take pills that would cause a child to have severe mental and physical problems should one be concieved ) and NOT for use when the couple simply does not feel ready for a child. If someone could give me some CCC quotes, that would be good too ( my mother took our copy to a Bible study :-( )[/quote]

NFP is morally acceptable to space or postpone pregnancies as long as there are serious reasons. Yes, it can be used with a "contraceptive mentality", but that is never our place to judge. I find that I am constantly being judged by Catholic friends for not having another one right now. I don't feel the need to justify to them my reasons. From the outside, it may look like I have that mentality, but it isn't their or anyone else's place to judge what my reasons are. Just something I think more Catholics should be careful of.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1454241' date='Feb 1 2008, 06:45 PM']Doesn't the pill mask the fertility cycles, though? So, how would a woman know when to "play it safe?"[/quote]

They may have been talking about your cycle when used with condoms or barrier methods. I don't remember.

[Justin86]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1454065' date='Feb 2 2008, 02:04 AM']Well, it's designed to prevent conception and implantation. First, it's supposed to keep a woman from ovulating (which would, of course, prevent conception). It does this by giving a woman WAY too much estrogen, which also has the effect of making the uterus resistant to fetal implantation, thus causing miscarriage and making it an abortifacient.

What's troubling is that when they were testing the pill, they had a version for men and a version for women. A few men got sick, so they stopped the men's line. Four women died, so they reduced the dosage.

You think they care for women? I don't think so.[/quote]
Is there actual proof for that anywhere?

[Moosey]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1454107' date='Feb 1 2008, 01:46 PM']We didn't have to have the NFP talk when we went through marriage prep in Edmonton two years ago. I guess they figured we were to old to bother with it. We did find out one thing about NFP, it doesn't work good if you can't keep your hands off each other, and never assume anyone is too old.[/quote]
My parents use NFP and they have a fantastic love life.

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Same with Chad and I...

[XIX]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1454842' date='Feb 3 2008, 04:05 AM'] Is there actual proof for that anywhere?[/quote]
Sure. This was off of Princeton University's own birth control webpage:

[quote]The way emergency contraceptive pills work depends on where you are in your monthly cycle when you take them. They may prevent or delay ovulation (release of your egg), affect the movement of egg or sperm (making them less likely to meet), interfere with the fertilization process, or prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. The copper in Copper-T IUDs can prevent sperm from fertilizing an egg[b] and may also prevent implantation of a fertilized egg.[/b][/quote]

Here's something from a birth control site to which I probably shouldn't link:

[quote]Taking the pill causes the lining of the uterus to change, which makes it hard for a (fertilized) egg to be implanted.[/quote] Parentheses mine. They don't specify fertilized because they want to make it sound as innocuous as possible, but for obvious reasons, only a fertilized egg (i.e. a newly formed human) would have to attach itself to the uterus.

Edited February 3, 2008 by XIX

[MissScripture]

[quote name='XIX' post='1454929' date='Feb 3 2008, 01:58 PM']Sure. This was off of Princeton University's own birth control webpage:
Here's something from a birth control site to which I probably shouldn't link:

Parentheses mine. They don't specify fertilized because they want to make it sound as innocuous as possible, but for obvious reasons, only a fertilized egg (i.e. a newly formed human) would have to attach itself to the uterus.[/quote]
Um...I think he was referring to the testing of a contraceptive for men, and switching over to women when it had adverse effects in men, but only adjusting the dosages when it killed women...