VeraMaria Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I did. It seemed ok, I thought It'd be worse. Although the lady who interviewed him looked to me like an Inquisitor, the way she skepticallu, unsmilingly kept glaring at him :ph34r: Mel Gibson is :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 It was good but I didn't like the Traditional Catholic segment where is said he is a Roman Catholic b4 1960, but he was honest about his faith and conversion, and his reaction against anti-semetic allegations seemed to be fair and sound and now I don't have to listen to third person defenses anymore lol. Passion looks like it's gonna rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 absolutely fantastic job by mel. answered all the tough questions truthfully and with poise. the interview had me shook, i cant imagine what the movie is going to do to me. and i dont even get emotional at funerals. stuff's gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 yep. It was interesting... in a good way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Well, I guess the bright side is that it was pretty clear that Mel thinks of himself a Roman Catholic. To the average non-Catholic, unless they studied, they wouldn't really know the difference between a Traditionalist Catholic and a Catholic anyway--so to them, he's simply a Catholic. When they see the film, they'll know that it was made by a Catholic--and hopefully, if they seek more after the film, they'll come home to the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DojoGrant Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Just watching the trailer again makes me want to cry. I'm going to be devastated during the film (8 days for me). Thankfully we have Eucharistic adoration on Tuesdays (when I'll be seeing it). I have two papers do the next day, a test, a test and a quiz on Thursday and another quiz on Friday...but I'll be spending some serious reflection time in adoration after the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 To be honest, I wasn't impressed with him. First of all, while the average American might not notice, I certainly noticed that I'm not at all sure whether or not he's a schistrad or a Catholic. I think he should have been more honest about that. My other problem with him was what he said about getting to Heaven. He said that Christianity was just the easier way, but that people of other faiths could get to Heaven. What he said is somewhat true, but it's not like the average American Buddhist can reject Christ and still stroll on into Heaven. That's not how it works. It seemed odd to me that a "Traditionalist Catholic" would so play down the doctrine of no salvation outside the Church, to the point that even a non-schistrad would think he sounded like a universalist. I was left wondering whether or not he was a Catholic, a schistrad, a universalist, or "other." I don't think that's a good thing. But I still think the movie will be great. I'm just not too fond of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Yeah. But then again, did you see how his Jewish actress was glaring at him as he was answering the question? What would you have done? Look at her and say she was going to hell? I think he reflected Catholic teaching fairly good, although, to me, it seemed like a post-Vatican II explanation of the doctrine rather than a pre-Vatican II... which he supposedly leans towards. Oh well, maybe we should just take his "I'm a work in progress" statement at face value and pray that his spiritual growth leads him closer to embracing the Church in Her fullness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 You're right, praying for him is definitely what we should do. I just hope he doesn't speak a whole lot about the Faith unless he knows what he's saying and it's Catholic teaching. We've got enough people misrepresenting us. But I do hope he grows in his faith, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sista2b Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 the way he explained "traditionalism" seems to be in line w/ Rome, whats the difference b/w the two? i'm not talking about just his view so much, or what he said just whats the difference b/w traditionalism and the Catholic Church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 I like that -- work in progress. Aren't we all! I didn't get to see the interview, but I think it sounds like he's working through some stuff, discovering his own faith unique from the one he was raised on. We all do that to a certain extent (I mean at some point as an adult you say "this is my faith, I choose this freely") Bless his heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 i still think it was great, after being skeptical for awhile i'm happy to call him a fellow Christian and would likewise be happy to call him a fellow Catholic if i was myself, whether he's schismatic or not. remember the last quote of the interview it was clutch. something like "Christ died for all people, for all cultures, for all time." or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 the way he explained "traditionalism" seems to be in line w/ Rome, whats the difference b/w the two? i'm not talking about just his view so much, or what he said just whats the difference b/w traditionalism and the Catholic Church? Traditionalism is a valid part of the Catholic Church. The Pope has encouraged aspects of the traditionalist movement (ie., with the document Ecclesia Dei, the establishment of things such as The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, a pontifical institute, etc.) The main thing about the traditionalist movement is that many aspects of Catholic tradition and culture have been obscured since the Council which should not have been (which is obvious from the Council documents themselves). There are different degrees of traditionalists though. Some feel the Church should restore the Tridentine Mass throughout the Church. Some feel a Tridentine Rite should be encouraged, other feel this is not necessary but that the novus ordo should be enriched with elements of the pre-Vatican II Mass. There are distinguished Cardinals and Bishops who are part of this movement. The problematic groups are the schismatic traditionalists. They operate in defiance of the Church and often believe that the Church is off track. In the most extreme cases they deny the validity of Vatican II and even make outlandish claims such as that the last four popes were invalid. These are the groups that are not cool, but this should not give traditionalism in general a bad name. The big question regarding Mel Gibson is whether or not he is a schismatic and is not in union with the Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 (edited) Well, I guess the bright side is that it was pretty clear that Mel thinks of himself a Roman Catholic. To the average non-Catholic, unless they studied, they wouldn't really know the difference between a Traditionalist Catholic and a Catholic anyway--so to them, he's simply a Catholic. When they see the film, they'll know that it was made by a Catholic--and hopefully, if they seek more after the film, they'll come home to the Catholic Church. I don't think Diane Sawyer knows the difference or she might have asked the question about his union with the Papacy. He did answer everything else very well. I loved the Schindler's List analogy. Edited February 17, 2004 by socalscout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciana Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 My sis who's in a non-denom. church was watching it at her house w/ a cousin and roommates. She actually called me all excitedly to ask if we were watching it! She thought he was doing great--I think so too.I was worried he'd be cornered into saying something that could be misconstrued. VeraMaria noticed too how Diane Saywers looked at Mel Gibson w/ a skeptical look after each answer he gave her. The only time she smiled that I noticed (I missed the first few minutes) was at the end when she gave that supercorny "we at ABC learned a lot about each other too" or something like that line :: I'm mostly glad I got to see more clips! +JMJ+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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