icelandic_iceskater Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ok- so God gave us free will, right? And God created everything, right? Did God create our thoughts? And if He did then doesn't He control what were thinking cause He's the Creator? ...Isn't that messing with our free will? And if He doesn't create our thoughts who does? Are thoughts even created at all? And if they're not created what are they made from? ok thats all the questions I have for now... can someone please try to answer them? grazie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 He gave us free will, and knows what we are going to do with it, but that doesn't change the fact that we still make the decisions. I think that's why our sins grieve him so. He knows we are going to do it, but lets us anyway. It's like as a parent you know that your kids are going to make mistakes, but you still have to let them, or they don't learn anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerlina Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 [quote name='icelandic_iceskater' post='1446745' date='Jan 16 2008, 09:13 PM']Ok- so God gave us free will, right? And God created everything, right? Did God create our thoughts? And if He did then doesn't He control what were thinking cause He's the Creator? ...Isn't that messing with our free will? And if He doesn't create our thoughts who does? Are thoughts even created at all? And if they're not created what are they made from? ok thats all the questions I have for now... can someone please try to answer them? grazie.[/quote] Wow you have really been doing some pondering! I'll try my best to answer. I think that our thoughts come from us and are a product of our own personality and experiences. So I suppose you could say that they are indirectly created by God but our more directly a product of ourselves? If that makes sense. Intrusive/psychotic/delusional thoughts that are the product of a mental disorder, I would exclude these from the above description and classify them as the product of an illness, just as the symptoms of any physical disease. I'm not sure about thoughts being created or not? I think normal thoughts are created by us just as any physical thing that a human creates would be (i.e a painting, craft) but of course there are definite moments when God inspires our thoughts. I know this isn't a really definitive/clear answer but hope it helps a bit. Katie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelandic_iceskater Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 "indirectly created by God but our more directly a product of ourselves" yea that kinda makes sense... still confused tho... Thank-you both for replying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 We are created in the image and likeness of God. Which gives us the ability to create. So you create your own thoughts Oh and God didn't create everything. We created sin. He had nothing to do with it. And think about it logically. If God created your thoughts, you would already have the answer to your question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelandic_iceskater Posted January 19, 2008 Author Share Posted January 19, 2008 I thought creating was making something out of nothing? ...and I [i]know[/i] God doesn't create our thoughts... I just don't understand how... (but I'm easily confused lol) Grazi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 God created our ability to reason, our ability to think. Therefore he created out throughts. He does not control them however. Colt creates guns. They do not control how those guns are used and expect them to be used for moral purposes. If someone uses the gun for an immoral purpose it's not their fault. Likewise God created our ability to think. Not every individual thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 There's a difference between knowing and willing. God knows what we will do, but He can only will that we do good. (What kind of omnibenevolent Being wills that his creatures do evil? Not any kind of omnibenevolent Being.) That we often do evil, it logically follows that we possess the ability to go against the will of God. This is a "free will." Also important is that the more we sin, the less free we are, for we become slaves to sin. To not be a slave to sin is to be free from sin. So the more that our actions coincide with the will of God, the more free we are. This is true freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelandic_iceskater Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 ok! I think I get that now. Grazi =D But ok theres somethin else I dont understand... Where does sin/wrong/evil/you-know originate? Goin way back to the fall of the angels- where did Lucifer get the whatever it was that encouraged him to rebel against God? Like the desire, or the... idk. Sry idk how to word it. But you know? God bless yall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icelandic_iceskater Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 temptation! Thats the word... where did the devil get the temptation to overthrow God? (or whatever it was that went on back then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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