Holy Trinity

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Anyone know of any P&W songs that make direct reference to the Holy Trinity?

[Laudate_Dominum]

I think I've heard one of two, but I can't remember at the moment.

[Laudate_Dominum]

I found this one but I've never actually heard it. [url="http://www.truevinemusic.com/glory_be.htm"]http://www.truevinemusic.com/glory_be.htm[/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

According to some guy:

[i]To remark further on the content of many Contemporary Praise and Worship songs, the doctrine of the Trinity is virtually absent. There is only one song in CCLI’s top twenty-five that mentions the three persons of the Trinity in the lyrics. Out of the top 100 songs, the Trinity is alluded to less than five times. [/i]

[url="http://www.reformworship.com/2007/08/contemporary-praise-worship-part-5-of-7.html"]http://www.reformworship.com/2007/08/conte...art-5-of-7.html[/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[i]Let's turn our attention to Praise and Worship songs. They are in collections such as Songs for Praise and Worship published by Word and in the Maranatha! Music Praise Chorus Book. Except when specifically noted, these observations refer to the first of these collections, though most of what I say applies in either case.

Theologically, very many of these songs center on the attributes of God, and on the person of Christ, especially on Christ as King and as Lamb. These songs do not center on the person of the Holy Spirit, but they do include a few prayers to the Holy Spirit to come to us, and a few that offer hospitality to the Spirit in case the Spirit should come. Only three songs even mention all three persons of the Holy Trinity, and no songs focus upon the Holy Trinity itself. No songs even mention the Trinity, or the tri-unity, or the [p 15] three-in-oneness of God. No songs do that; not even one song. Very few Praise & Worship songs praise God for the church, either, or for covenant, or for holy communion, and none do this for baptism, the sacrament that publicly recognizes our union with Christ and with the body of Christ.[/i] - Plantinga, Cornelius, Jr. “[i]Theological Particularities of Recent Hymnody[/i]”, The Hymn, 52 (October 2001), 8-15

[url="http://www.calvin.edu/worship/luce/2002/polman_2.php"]http://www.calvin.edu/worship/luce/2002/polman_2.php[/url]

[kafka]

oh great!
not another P&W thread

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote]What we find is that song writers in recent years have largely neglected the Trinity. In place of the reflections on God’s triune being, we find largely a focus on Jesus. We do find songs about God, Lord, or King. These are true Biblical names for the One we worship. But they are ambiguous inregards to the Trinity. Moreover, when we do have a reflection on the Trinity it remains abstract. Lester Ruth from Asbury Seminary did a similar study looking at the lists of the top-25 songs from 1989-2004. (http://www.asburyblog.net/articles/WarningToSongwriters.pdf) 1. In total he looked at seventy songs which appeared on the lists. 2. He found that none of the songs named God as Trinity.3. Only three songs refer to all three persons of the Trinity: “Glorify Thy Name,” “Father, IAdore You,” and “Shine, Jesus, Shine.” 4. Only four songs speak of God as Father. 5. Seven instances where the lyrics referred to the Father without using “Father.” 6. Six refer to the Spirit, yet none name him “Holy Spirit.” 7. Almost half of the songs make clear reference to Jesus.8. The rest of the songs, a large group, refer to Lord, God, King in a generic way.

- Worshiping Trinity Led by Paul Ryan Calvin College & Calvin Institute of Christian Worship Grand Rapids, MI[/quote]
[url="http://www.calvin.edu/worship/idis/theology/trinity/pryan_workshop.pdf"]http://www.calvin.edu/worship/idis/theolog...an_workshop.pdf[/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

Those are all Protestant sources btw (naturally I suppose) which is all I could find.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='kafka' post='1437242' date='Dec 21 2007, 06:13 PM']oh great!
not another P&W thread

[/quote]
I assume he has a real reason for asking the question since he is a professional catechist.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Actually this guy's little essay looks pretty good. [url="http://www.reformworship.com/2007/08/contemporary-praise-worship-part-1-of-7.html"]http://www.reformworship.com/2007/08/conte...art-1-of-7.html[/url]

It is nice to get the perspective of an educated Protestant on this subject. With no mention or interest in the Catholic Church he concludes such things as "Contemporary Praise and Worship fits best within a non-liturgical, congregational worship setting." Gee, even the Protestants can see this. haha

[kafka]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1437246' date='Dec 21 2007, 05:18 PM']I assume he has a real reason for asking the question since he is a professional catechist.[/quote]

sheesh, just a little joke

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='kafka' post='1437253' date='Dec 21 2007, 06:39 PM']sheesh, just a little joke [/quote]
I thought that perhaps you believed Raphael was being a controversialist but from what I know of him this is not his style.

[kafka]

[Apotheoun]

"We have seen the true light; we have received the heavenly Spirit; we have found the true faith; and we worship the undivided Trinity, for the Trinity has saved us." [Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom]

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1437248' date='Dec 21 2007, 05:23 PM']Actually this guy's little essay looks pretty good. [url="http://www.reformworship.com/2007/08/contemporary-praise-worship-part-1-of-7.html"]http://www.reformworship.com/2007/08/conte...art-1-of-7.html[/url]

It is nice to get the perspective of an educated Protestant on this subject. With no mention or interest in the Catholic Church he concludes such things as "Contemporary Praise and Worship fits best within a non-liturgical, congregational worship setting." Gee, even the Protestants can see this. haha[/quote]
Interesting remark from a prod. Interesting thread btw.