Old_Joe Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Does anyone else think that St. John Bosco's dream of the ships and two pillars at sea are coming true? [quote]On May 30, 1862 , Don Bosco recounted that in a dream he had seen an immense sea on which a great many ships were arranged for battle against a larger and taller ship. He also saw others which were defending the tall ship. Here are his words: "In the midst of this endless sea, two solid columns, a short distance apart, soar high into the sky. One is surmounted by a statue of the Immaculate Virgin, at whose feet a large inscriptions reads:" 'Auxilium Christianorum' ('Help of Christians') . The other, far loftier and sturdier, supports a Host of proportionate size, and bears beneath it the inscription: 'Salus credentium' ('Salvation of believers'). "The flagship commander - the Roman Pontiff- standing at the helm, strains every muscle to steer his ship between the two columns, from whose summits hang many anchors and strong hooks linked to chains. The entire enemy fleet closes in to intercept and sink the flagship at all costs. They bombard it with everything they have: books and pamphlets, incendiary bombs, firearms, cannons. The battle rages ever more furious. Beaked prows ram the flagship again and again, but to no avail, as, unscathed and undaunted, it keeps on it course. At times, a formidable ram splinters a gaping hole in its hull, but immediately, a breeze from the two columns instantly seals the gash. "Meanwhile, enemy cannons blow up; firearms and beaks fall to pieces; ships crack up and sink to the bottom. In blind fury, the enemy takes to hand-to-hand combat, cursing and blaspheming. Suddenly the Pope falls, seriously wounded. He is instantly helped up, but struck a second time, dies. A shout of victory rises from the enemy, and wild rejoicing seeps their ships. But no sooner is the Pope dead than another takes his place. The captains of the auxiliary ships elected him so quickly that the news of the Pope's death coincides with that of his successor's election. The enemy's self-assurance wanes. "Breaking through all resistance, the new Pope steers his ship safely between the two columns; first, to the one surmounted by the Host, and then the other, topped by the statue of the Virgin. At this point, something unexpected happens. The enemy ships panic and disperse, colliding with and scuttling each other. "Some auxiliary ships, which had gallantly fought alongside their flagship, are the first to tie up at the two columns. Many others, which had fearfully kept far away from the fight, stand still, cautiously waiting until the wrecked enemy ships vanish under the waves. Then they too head for the two columns, tie up at the swinging hooks and ride safe and tranquil beside their flagship. A great calm now covers the sea. "[/quote] The way I see it. The first Roman Pontiff is Pope John Paul the Great since he was mortally wounded, recovers, but dies later. Two weeks later Pope Benedict is elected. The ships that anchor to the pillars at the end are Protestant communities that have recently joined the Church because of disagreement over ordaining women and homosexuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Wow maybe.... I've also admired the dreams of Saint Don Bosco! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintOfVirtue Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I think this dream goes much deeper than that. The ship that the pope is steering is the Catholic Church. The ships attacking the pope's ship could almost represent the media how they constantly attack our beliefs, both in the Blessed Virigin Mary; and in the Host (Eucharist). When the first pope falls they (the media) rejoice; the real media does the same thing; finding a flaw in the church makes their day. I am at a lack as to what the rest might mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Could mean alot of things, not just for our times either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 This one is one I admire alot... [url="http://catholicanada.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=489&Itemid=91"] ST. JOHN BOSCO'S DREAM (VISION) OF HELL[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Yeah, his vision of Hell is a real good one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Dude that vision was s-c-a-r-y...but then, Hell is scary, so I guess that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 It's designed to scare the hell out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted December 9, 2007 Author Share Posted December 9, 2007 [quote name='SaintOfVirtue' post='1431152' date='Dec 8 2007, 01:04 AM']I think this dream goes much deeper than that. The ship that the pope is steering is the Catholic Church. The ships attacking the pope's ship could almost represent the media how they constantly attack our beliefs, both in the Blessed Virigin Mary; and in the Host (Eucharist). When the first pope falls they (the media) rejoice; the real media does the same thing; finding a flaw in the church makes their day. I am at a lack as to what the rest might mean.[/quote] That's a possibility. Visions and prophecies like this can ring true on many different levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted December 9, 2007 Author Share Posted December 9, 2007 [quote name='Justin86' post='1431521' date='Dec 8 2007, 08:39 PM']It's designed to scare the hell out of you. [/quote] or at least scare you out of Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 [quote name='Old_Joe' post='1431678' date='Dec 9 2007, 02:30 PM']or at least scare you out of Hell.[/quote] No one can be scared out of Hell. Once you're in, you're in. However, because of redemption hell can be scared out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted December 9, 2007 Author Share Posted December 9, 2007 [quote name='Justin86' post='1431812' date='Dec 9 2007, 06:35 AM']No one can be scared out of Hell. Once you're in, you're in. However, because of redemption hell can be scared out of you. [/quote] I meant as a preventative measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 After reading the first dream and then then the vision of hell, I am not sure I want to read the book on his life. Whoa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 I have read the book, it is very good. It is over all very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 [quote name='Deb' post='1431926' date='Dec 9 2007, 04:21 PM']After reading the first dream and then then the vision of hell, I am not sure I want to read the book on his life. Whoa![/quote] a very joyful life. the movie (1988) on his life is pretty good: [url="http://catholicfreeshipping.stores.yahoo.net/donboscodvd.html"]http://catholicfreeshipping.stores.yahoo.n...on oscodvd.html[/url] the newer one is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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