Dave Posted February 16, 2004 Author Share Posted February 16, 2004 Evidence please! Well, consider how in western European countries like Italy, France, and Spain, only about 10-20% of all Catholics actually practice their faith. Various studies have shown it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Though you would concede Dave, that 'not practising their faith', as in the European catholics you mention, is different to practising it incorrectly isn't it? The example in the original post is 'incorrectly practising' the faith. Maybe it's because I can't see Europeans going all 'touchy, feely'...and that could be a stereotype that I have about North Americans (in the broadest sense of the definition of that term! :D ) :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2004 Author Share Posted February 16, 2004 Though you would concede Dave, that 'not practising their faith', as in the European catholics you mention, is different to practising it incorrectly isn't it? The example in the original post is 'incorrectly practising' the faith. Maybe it's because I can't see Europeans going all 'touchy, feely'...and that could be a stereotype that I have about North Americans (in the broadest sense of the definition of that term! :D ) Well, I'd say that if they don't practice their faith, they're libel to practice it incorrectly too, as they'd be leaving themselves wide open to all sorts of heterodox beliefs and practices. To me, practicing one's faith incorrectly = not practicing it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 So the two are interchangable? Isn't it a matter of whether the faith has been knowingly rejected? If you knowingly incorrectly practice your faith, such as the example in the article because you set yourself up as being more knowledgeable than the church, that must be more dangerous surely than simply not practising your faith full stop. One impacts on your own personal relationship with God and His promises for you, while the other has the potential for you to lead others into error - a far more grave sin isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 16, 2004 Share Posted February 16, 2004 Sounds like the apostasy of the gentiles. Can we say anathema sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Family time? Scripture reading? Soups and breads? I was about to say that that sounded like a good idea until I got to the whole "substitution for the mass thing". Nothing (when I say that I mean nothing...) can replace the sincerity and legitimacy of the traditional Catholic mass, especially with mass being the higest form of worship. Sure intimate family Bible time and candlelit dinners sound nice, but that's no different than eating breadsticks with scriptures at Olive Garden. :crazy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 Now I'm reminded of something . . . I've heard of "Catholic" dissenters claiming that a regular meal is a form of Eucharist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted February 17, 2004 Share Posted February 17, 2004 Dave, another urban legend?! :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2004 Author Share Posted February 17, 2004 Dave, another urban legend?! I wish! Sometimes I visit dissenting "Catholic" Web sites so that I know what they're saying and how to refute it. Ingrid Shafer, who heads the group Association for the Rights of Catholics in the Church, had posted an article about her visit with dissenting priest Fr. Bernard Haering shortly before his death. And they had dinner together and talked. In the process, she thought to herself, "This is a form of Eucharist." Yeah, right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 So you meant to tell me there are phony Catholic web sites out there as well? That's scary... :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 18, 2004 Author Share Posted February 18, 2004 So you meant to tell me there are phony Catholic web sites out there as well? That's scary... Unfortunately, yes. Heck, the mother of all "Catholic" dissenting organizations, "Call to Action," has a site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 oh dear.... Guys, Montreal is messed up. Priests and brothers get attacked on the streets and abused verbally. It's a bad scene. I love Montreal, but it can be a very evil city. The situation of the Church in Quebec is super sad. We're trying to fix it and we're praying for it. The bew Cardinal is amesome, but to tell you the truth, the story is kind of nice. I think these kids are actually interested in their faith and misguided, trying to offer solutions, rather than trying to undermine authority. Like I said, it's a pretty bad situation over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennC Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Priests and brothers get attacked on the streets and abused verbally. It's a bad scene. What!!! ... are there any articles, online reports referenceing this?? I need them. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 no, not really physically. But one of my friends knows brothers who have been spit on and verbally abused. Other times women will expose themselves to them. It's pretty sad. These are all stories I have from friends who live in Montreal, I've never seen news articles on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennC Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Thanks, Ive been coming across this "I don't hate Catholics, I hate their false Church" this is no better than to say "I don't hate "X", I just don't like the color of their skin". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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