How Did The Devil Sign Get Popular?

[Seven77]

this is a question i've wondered for some time.

[hoosieranna]

If I remember right, the Aggie salute is thumb and pinky extended, not index and pinky. Maybe I'm wrong.

[littleflower+JMJ]

i've seen die hard longhorn fans do both signs so i think both work.

however its very true to be wondering about this because so much jewlery, teeshirts, notebooks, etc. coming out to all the youth have this sign plastered alll over it. its really scary!!

not to mention if you go to any concert, everyone is throwing this sign around and they have no idea what the heck it means.

some of them do know and thats whats even more scary

we definitely need to talking about this with our youth and others, they need to know in order to be aware and to protect themselves...this is certainly something very serious!!

[Lil Red]

and i think we need to be careful when we cast aspirations about Catholic persons using it. because there are a lot of scrupulous people on this board who might start thinking that they have been sinning when they throw up a stupid silly hand sign that doesn't mean they are worshipping the devil!!!!!

[Fixxxer]

Its nothing bad, it got big mainly from dio, but gene simmons says otherwise haha. Basically its a thing dio's grandmother would use. it's a heavy metal thing, not for pop bands to use :-p

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Edited November 19, 2007 by Fixxxer

[littleflower+JMJ]

I would not case this as nothing ...its pretty darn serious and this symbol does have meaning. Which is why the awareness of this symbol is important...its creeped up everywhere in our society and we have probably used it without that intent but it still certainly not good when it comes down to it should definitely not be encouraged or ignore its background/origin/uses.

[ardillacid]

Why don't you guys just say that Jimmy Page and every other metal icon were devil worshipers and get it off your chest?

[johnnydigit]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1421450' date='Nov 18 2007, 01:50 AM']Yeah I'm sure to most people it means nothing evil. I've even seen a pic or two of JP2 doing it so it certainly seems to have taken on a new meaning for the general populace, but its origins are definitely a little unsettling.[/quote]

i guess that answers my question of whether or not i should worry about using it since i love going to christian rock concerts. i usually use the fist, consciously use the "gun" for one God, or thumb/index/middle for trinity. those i actually thought about, the love/evil sign i didn't think about and not sure if i had my thumb out. i guess from now on i'll make sure my thumb is out. or not do either? i dunno.

thanks for making me paranoid now lol

[Lil Red]

[quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1422001' date='Nov 19 2007, 12:12 AM']I would not case this as nothing ...its pretty darn serious and this symbol does have meaning. Which is why the awareness of this symbol is important...its creeped up everywhere in our society and we have probably used it without that intent but it still certainly not good when it comes down to it should definitely not be encouraged or ignore its background/origin/uses. [/quote]
and for most people, it's used as a "rock on" symbol, not a devil worshipping symbol.

[hoosieranna]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1422026' date='Nov 19 2007, 05:58 AM']Why don't you guys just say that Jimmy Page and every other metal icon were devil worshipers and get it off your chest? [/quote]

But they were! They burned black candles, ate chicken, even played guitars with three broken strings because of the power of the number three! Ronnie James Dio was the the worst. "Since You Been Gone" is really about Dio's sale of his soul!

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1422127' date='Nov 19 2007, 12:34 PM']and for most people, it's used as a "rock on" symbol, not a devil worshipping symbol. [/quote]

Hey, alot of those metal rockers do know what their doing...look at their music, lyrics and albums. If they can get you to play along...its great for them! And it just gets passes on after that....look how popular it is.

Just be aware that its not as innocent as one thinks just because its been passed along doesn't mean it has lost its purpose...because i'm positive its still used....and things like this should be questioned.

I've learned through ppl who were deep into the black religion and have come out of it who have warned me and urged me that anything from them is serious business and should not be played around with at all. The phrase they always use? "If they only knew....." while shaking their heads.

If anyone wants to make that sign, I can't stop you. But I know personally that something like that should not be taken lightly and you should know what your flirting with.

I just learned all too well that anything that has come from the black religion should not be taken lightly because it is serious stuff and should be stayed away from.

I just think we should be cautious, wake up and be aware of things we partake in many times without thinking or knowing.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1422156' date='Nov 19 2007, 12:22 PM']Hey, alot of those metal rockers do know what their doing...look at their music, lyrics and albums. If they can get you to play along...its great for them! And it just gets passes on after that....look how popular it is.

Just be aware that its not as innocent as one thinks just because its been passed along doesn't mean it has lost its purpose...because i'm positive its still used....and things like this should be questioned.

I've learned through ppl who were deep into the black religion and have come out of it who have warned me and urged me that anything from them is serious and should not be played around with at all. The phrase they always use? "If they only knew....." while shaking their heads.

If anyone wants to make that sign, I can't stop you. But I know personally that something like that should not be taken lightly and you should know what your flirting with.

I just learned all too well that anything that has come from the black religion should not be taken lightly because it is serious stuff and should be stayed away from.[/quote]
and what about the Catholic musicians who use it at their concerts? are they promoting devil worship by using it?

i agree that there are many things that have dark origins, and symbols have meaning, but what i am against is promoting the attitude of "it's sinful" "you should know what you're flirting with" etc. because there are many people here (including myself) who are scrupulous enough to start thinking "have i been sinning every time i use that symbol?" and who will worry and obsess over it. (like i already am)

and since when has a dark origin of something stopped Catholics from turning it into something for good?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1422156' date='Nov 19 2007, 12:22 PM']I just think we should be cautious, wake up and be aware of things we partake in many times without thinking or knowing. [/quote]
and scrupulous people like me will start to worry and obsess over every hand gesture they use.

and i think we should not give into the devil by worrying and obsessing over every little thing that we do. because i'm already trying to fight the tendency to be scrupulous, as are others on here.

[littleflower+JMJ]

Okay, just to clarify with your posts LR....

I never said those who use it were "sinful" or "sinning", I said it was dangerous.

If your seeing it at Catholic events, like mentioned before, its because its being tossed around like it has for years, not because its suddenly become good.

If you see nothing wrong with it after reading stuff about it, I have really nothing to say more that I haven't already said in my prior posts.

Obviously we feel differently about it, so I think we'll just leave it at that.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Yay! I'm glad this topic, which was just some late night fooling around on my part, has become so active! It is nice to learn that I'm not the only one who has found the "rock on" phenomenon to be uncomfortable. As I mentioned before, growing up this gesture had one meaning: the salute to satan. Obviously I realize that for most youngsters today this meaning is unknown, but I can't help but find it to be at least tacky.