Holy Hillary...

[Jaime]

[quote]This thread is about how Hillary is a liar, a thief, and evil.[/quote]

Clearly you haven't taken the time to read the article. It is about whether or not she prays. Please educate yourself on what your posting and quit looking so foolish.


And if anyone here can give a legitimate litmus test to "whether or not a person prays" then please

illuminate me.

[Guest]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1416734' date='Nov 9 2007, 06:43 PM']Yeah I can't send or receive PMs because of the 'phishy' title. It kinda stinks.

I never said that the Holy Scriptures are false, but I would have to say your interpretation of them is false. It is the job of the magisterium of the Church to interpret the Scriptures, not yours, not mine.

This is from an apologetics site, tell me what you think:
as well as this:[/quote]


Ok just read all of that and i will say that i agree with everything that it said. I am gratefull that we dont have to interpit scripture for ourself. I also agree that works need to go along with our faith and that faith is dead without works. I agree with all this.

BUT

Romans 10:9-10 says

"If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. "

a child could understand this and am pretty sure no one needs help interpiting this.
woulnt you agree ??

Edited November 9, 2007 by Guest

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1416732' date='Nov 9 2007, 05:31 PM']if your saying what i said was wrong about being saved then prove me wrong
that is bible scripture
i take that as 110% truth
no buts about it
i understand being catholic and attending a catholic church more is required from us
but
i dont know how in the world your gonna convince me that this scripture isnt truth
its like 2 + 2
i dont how you can say that its not 4 ??
and esspially when applying this to someone who doent attend a catholic church and doesnt have to confess their sins to a priest and have to worry about mortal sin and the sorts.....[/quote]

I see by your title that you are Catholic so I will just remind you that as Catholics we are not [i]sola scriptura[/i].

There are other bible verses that can be flung back at you, but I will leave it to the Duke of Document Dumps, as he might already be preparing a more complete response than I can within the time given.

[Guest]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1416744' date='Nov 9 2007, 07:04 PM']I see by your title that you are Catholic so I will just remind you that as Catholics we are not [i]sola scriptura[/i].

There are other bible verses that can be flung back at you, but I will leave it to the Duke of Document Dumps, as he might already be preparing a more complete response than I can within the time given.[/quote]

Hello brother
this bible verse is plain as can be
i dont understand how one can even attempt to argue it

Romans 10:9-10 says

"If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. "


and im talking about literally believing what the bible verse says....if one has TRUE FAITH and a TRUE BELIEF that CHRIST WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD and THEY CONFESS IT WITH THEIR MOUTH AND ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT...then WORKS WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW......
YOU CAN NOT REBUKE THAT VERSE.....ITS SIMPLE.......THERES NO ARGUEING ABOUT IT.....GOD LOVES HIS CHILDREN AND WILL NEVER FORSAKE THEM.......GOD IS LOVE....HE IS NOT WAITING TO STIKE SOMEONE DOWN...
HE IS ONLY WAITING TO STRIKE DOWN BASTARDS AND HE WILL SEND THEM TO HELL....PRAISE GOD

Edited November 9, 2007 by Guest

[Lena]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1416683' date='Nov 9 2007, 05:33 PM']I dont believe that article to be ridiculous, Hillary wants to lead this country we as citizens have the right and duty to question her on statements she makes if those statements do not add up with her present actions and pass history.[/quote]

While it's important to learn about any candidate as much as you can, the article is [b]pure conjecture[/b]. It's not based on anything of substance, really not even good journalism.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1416745' date='Nov 9 2007, 06:08 PM']Hello brother
this bible verse is plain as can be
i dont understand how one can even attempt to argue it

Romans 10:9-10 says

"If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. "
and im talking about literally believing what the bible verse says....if one has TRUE FAITH and a TRUE BELIEF that CHRIST WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD and THEY CONFESS IT WITH THEIR MOUTH AND ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT...then WORKS WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW......
YOU CAN NOT REBUKE THAT VERSE.....ITS SIMPLE.......THERES NO ARGUEING ABOUT IT.....GOD LOVES HIS CHILDREN AND WILL NEVER FORSAKE THEM.......GOD IS LOVE....HE IS NOT WAITING TO STIKE SOMEONE DOWN...[/quote]

Matthew 7:21 is also simple and plain as can be: "None of those who cry out 'Lord, Lord', will enter the kingdom of God but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven".

And if you are claiming "works will follow"....considering Hilary's pro-abortion voting record, that's not boding too well for her.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' post='1416745' date='Nov 9 2007, 06:08 PM']HE IS ONLY WAITING TO STRIKE DOWN BASTARDS AND HE WILL SEND THEM TO HELL....PRAISE GOD[/quote]

????

Is your real name Rev. Fred Phelps??????

Edited November 9, 2007 by Norseman82

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Lena' post='1416749' date='Nov 9 2007, 07:17 PM']While it's important to learn about any candidate as much as you can, the article is [b]pure conjecture[/b]. It's not based on anything of substance, really not even good journalism.[/quote]


[url="http://www.nicsentinel.com/news/2007/10/15/Opinion/Hillary.The.New.Face.Of.Communism-3030935.shtml"]Hillary: the new face of communism - Opinion[/url]

[KnightofChrist]

Hillary Clinton’s [i]Communist[/i] Global Agenda

By Cliff Kincaid

[url="http://www.usasurvival.org/ck061903.shtml"]http://www.usasurvival.org/ck061903.shtml[/url]

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[url="http://gop3.com/2007/10/17/hillary-clinton-communist-quotes-quiz/"]Hillary Clinton Communist Quotes Quiz[/url]
October 17th, 2007 1:27 pm by Brandon Henak
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The title gives it away but, here is a quick quiz a family member recently sent me (links to the quotes at the bottom):

“A little history lesson: If you don’t know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions before looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few…and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) “(We)…can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.”

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose f Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own..in order to create this common ground.”

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005″

As is the danger with most quotes, they are not fully understood until they are in context so, here are the links to the transcripts and speeches:

[url="http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hildabeast.asp"]1. AP (Snopes)[/url]
[url="http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=1839"]2. Hillary Clinton Campaign Site[/url]
[url="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/04/sitroom.03.html"]3. CNN[/url]
[url="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/04/sitroom.03.html"]4. CNN[/url]
[url="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/04/sitroom.03.html"]5. CNN[/url]
[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/02/AR2005090202079.html"]6. Washington Post[/url]

Sidenote: Hillary has also been in the news lately for [url="http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071017/NATION/110170049/1028/election"]supposedly eavesdropping[/url] on her husband’s opponents. We’ll see how it progresses before further comment.

[Lena]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1416765' date='Nov 9 2007, 08:56 PM'][url="http://www.nicsentinel.com/news/2007/10/15/Opinion/Hillary.The.New.Face.Of.Communism-3030935.shtml"]Hillary: the new face of communism - Opinion[/url][/quote]

Not to sound like a broken record, but you're responding with my claim that the above article was simply conjecture by presenting another opinion article? Written by a college student and one that claims, no less, that [i]"A vote for Hillary is a vote to take America one step closer to the world that Orwell envisioned."[/i]

Now, that's what I call a statement cumbered by a personal bias.

I'm not strictly trying to champion Hillary's cause, but simply point out that not all news sources are creditable simply because they are aligned with what you personally believe. Also, your second source presents a pretty skewed picture of Hilary there, how does that lend credence to their words? It really writes with a specific agenda in mind.

And I don't understand how that quiz exactly relates to anything at all, except for the fact that everything is out of context and therefore cannot be completely understood and credited. This isn't some new and strange idea I'm presenting here.


[quote]As is the danger with most quotes, they are not fully understood until they are in context so, here are the links to the transcripts and speeches:

1. AP (Snopes)
2. Hillary Clinton Campaign Site
3. CNN
4. CNN
5. CNN
6. Washington Post[/quote]

Thanks for the sources--though the quotes still aren't strong enough to stand on their own.

Edited November 10, 2007 by Lena

[Mercy me]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1416630' date='Nov 9 2007, 02:53 PM']Does anyone know if their cat, Socks, is still alive? Because if it comes down to Hillary vs. Guiliani I want to vote for Socks. He was one cool cat.[/quote]

He did not move with the former first family. He stayed in Washington. Socks was given away to Clinton's secretary, Betty Currie.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Lena' post='1416771' date='Nov 9 2007, 08:25 PM']Not to sound like a broken record, but you're responding with my claim that the above article was simply conjecture by presenting another opinion article? Written by a college student and one that claims, no less, that [i]"A vote for Hillary is a vote to take America one step closer to the world that Orwell envisioned."[/i]

Now, that's what I call a statement cumbered by a personal bias.

I'm not strictly trying to champion Hillary's cause, but simply point out that not all news sources are creditable simply because they are aligned with what you personally believe. Also, your second source presents a pretty skewed picture of Hilary there, how does that lend credence to their words? It really writes with a specific agenda in mind.

And I don't understand how that quiz exactly relates to anything at all, except for the fact that everything is out of context and therefore cannot be completely understood and credited. This isn't some new and strange idea I'm presenting here.[/quote]


This isn't open court. Persons are free to take parts of information which is sourced, the 2nd article has many, and choose for themselves. The charge of "conjecture" does not equal falsehood, nor does the charge of bias.

This much is true however, and not up for debate Hillary Cinlton partakes in the mass murder of Millions of Unborn Children, the cult of death she belongs to in this country has murdered millions more than Russian communists every could have dreamt.

She and people like her are worse than communists, and even nazi's, she is an Pro-Abortionist.

Edited November 10, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[friendofJPII]

Since none of know her personally or the motives behind her political actions, I don't think it is charitable to assume she is evil. All people are good because everyone is created by God and shares in his divine life to some degree. I know lots of wonderful, loving, people who hold pro-abortion viewpoints (I"m not saying Hillary is loving or wonderful....just for the record, but I don't know her personally). My best friend is pro-choice, but she still has a big heart, and is more loyal and loving towards me than many of my conservative Christian friends, yet she is misguided on that issue. However, Hillary SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT!!! When we vote, we must look at the issues, and since she supports abortion-rights and tenets of the liberal agenda, as Catholics we should not even consider her. We can pray for her, tho, cuz Jesus loves her, just not vote for her! I don't know if she's a communist, but the entire left-wing of the democratic party are socialists!!

Edited November 10, 2007 by friendofJPII

[Lena]

[quote]She and people like her are worse than communists, and even nazi's, she is an Pro-Abortionist.[/quote]

Yes, fanaticism is disturbing and usually disruptive.

On that note, must finish a paper for tonight. Otherwise, I'd start bickering.

[Jaime]

Look I don't see a single person advocating for voting for her.

Someone please answer my question

What is the proposed litmus test to see if someone actually prays? If there isn't one, then there's no debate here kids.

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1416793' date='Nov 9 2007, 09:15 PM']Look I don't see a single person advocating for voting for her.

Someone please answer my question

What is the proposed litmus test to see if someone actually prays? If there isn't one, then there's no debate here kids.[/quote]


I think we are discussing Hillary's remarks and our reaction to them in light of her political/activity voting record. If a public person like Hillary makes a public statement...then we have a right to comment. Is it a contradiction that she prays AND is pro-choice....she may or may not be sincere, we don't know, but I think everyone agrees that the fact that she says she "prays" does not mean she is worthy of our vote, or we should view her in a more favorable light. Some people will be misled and think "Oh, Hillary prays, she can't be that bad, it's okay to vote for her, she's a good Christian like me." Such people, imo, have 1/2 a brain, but still there are people who would reason that way.

Edited November 10, 2007 by friendofJPII