Eastern Catholics

[Resurrexi]

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[CatholicCid]

A little background on the Poll please?

Do some Eastern Catholics not acknowledge such things? They seem kind of open questions...

IE - The last poll question could be taken to mean Faith in general or the use of the Filoque in the Creed (Which, to my knowledge, some Rites do not include it, yet believe, which is allowed.)
Or, the "Consecratory power of the Words of Institution", which I do believe reading an article where I believe one Eastern Rite uses a formula where parts of the Eucharistic Rite may be slightly different, but is allowable by Rome. I'd have to research for that one.

Edited November 1, 2007 by CatholicCid

[aalpha1989]

On the consecration, I always thought Eastern Catholics believed that consecration actually happened during the epiclesis (if i spelled it wrong don't hurt me). i'm no authority on the subject.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='CatholicCid' post='1412745' date='Nov 1 2007, 02:07 PM']A little background on the Poll please?

Do some Eastern Catholics not acknowledge such things? They seem kind of open questions...

IE - The last poll question could be taken to mean Faith in general or the use of the Filoque in the Creed (Which, to my knowledge, some Rites do not include it, yet believe, which is allowed.)
Or, the "Consecratory power of the Words of Institution", which I do believe reading an article where I believe one Eastern Rite uses a formula where parts of the Eucharistic Rite may be slightly different, but is allowable by Rome. I'd have to research for that one.[/quote]

Some Eastern Christians who claim to be Catholic do not acknowledge the doctrines mentioned in the poll.

And in the poll, I mean faith in general, not whether it is acceptable to not say the word "Filioque" in the Creed.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='aalpha1989' post='1412778' date='Nov 1 2007, 03:49 PM']On the consecration, I always thought Eastern Catholics believed that consecration actually happened during the epiclesis (if i spelled it wrong don't hurt me). i'm no authority on the subject.[/quote]

No Eastern Catholic [i]should[/i] believe that the Transubstantiation happens at the Epiklesis.

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1412782' date='Nov 1 2007, 03:54 PM']Some Eastern Christians who claim to be Catholic do not acknowledge the doctrines mentioned in the poll.

And in the poll, I mean faith in general, not whether it is acceptable to not say the word "Filioque" in the Creed.[/quote]

Are they Eastern Catholic lay people?

I'm sure there would be documents out there really stating these things clearly, most likely from the time each Rite that was away from the Church returned to communion with the Church. Of course, some have never broken so I would think that would be a clear stance on this positions to these issues.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='CatholicCid' post='1412796' date='Nov 1 2007, 04:25 PM']Are they Eastern Catholic lay people?

I'm sure there would be documents out there really stating these things clearly, most likely from the time each Rite that was away from the Church returned to communion with the Church. Of course, some have never broken so I would think that would be a clear stance on this positions to these issues.[/quote]

Yes, there are. Most of the Council of Florence is one of them. There are also various ones from the seventeenth to nineteenth centuries, but recently there has been a move by some Eastern Catholics to deny many Catholic truths which have been believed by all Catholics, Eastern and Western, since time immemorial.

[cmotherofpirl]

Since most of us are not eastern catholics we are not the people to answer this. I suggest you join an eastern catholic baord or consult an eastern catholic priest or theologian and find out.

[Resurrexi]

I already know the answer... it's pretty simple and found in almost all documents of the magisterium on the matter.

[-I---Love]

The answers seem obvious so is there something I'm missing here?

Edited November 6, 2007 by -I---Love

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='-I---Love' post='1415140' date='Nov 5 2007, 11:57 PM']The answers seem obvious so is there something I'm missing here?[/quote]
Never trust the obvious at phatmass...

[Oik]

The first two questions are worded wrong.

Fin

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Oik' post='1415756' date='Nov 7 2007, 01:23 PM']The first two questions are worded wrong.

Fin[/quote]

how so?

[Oik]

[quote]Is it necessary for Catholics of the Eastern Churchs to hold the docrines dogmatically defined by the last fourteen Oecumenical Councils and by the Supreme Pontiffs?[/quote]

[quote]Then, therefore, must Eastern Catholics believe in such doctrines as the primacy of the Roman Pontiff and the infallibility of the same, the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Mother of God, the consecratory power of the Words of Instiution, and the procession of the Holy Ghost from the Father and the Son as from a single principle?[/quote]

Do you have an agenda or a point to prove here? Just say if you do.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Oik' post='1416172' date='Nov 8 2007, 10:11 AM']Do you have an agenda or a point to prove here? Just say if you do.[/quote]
As a "traditionalist" in the Latin Church, his agenda is to force Byzantine Catholics to accept Western doctrinal formulations.