V For Vendetta

[Matt1618]

I know this movie came out a long time ago, but i was recently challenged by my friends to rent and watch it, since i was bashing it without having first seen it. Beforehand I argued that it glorified terrorism, and was a veiled attack on Christianity, and the political Christian movements around the world. I have to say that parts of this film had me enraged, due to its blatant bias. for example there was a scene where a priest is about to rape a young girl...another scene where the homosexual lifestyle is glorified... an overtone of equating Christians with Facism....and overall, this movie shows terrorism as a nobel work, where the underdog gets a chance to win. Was anyone else angered after seeing this movie? I have to say, as a fantasy story, it was ok, but the obvious connections to todays world overshadowed it all. After seeing this film a neutral observer sees the Christian in that world as a violent intolerant oppressive bigot. so..what did you all think of this movie, and have you seen any others with the same anti-Christian themes?

[abercius24]

[quote name='Matt1618' post='1406284' date='Oct 20 2007, 11:11 PM']I know this movie came out a long time ago, but i was recently challenged by my friends to rent and watch it, since i was bashing it without having first seen it. Beforehand I argued that it glorified terrorism, and was a veiled attack on Christianity, and the political Christian movements around the world. I have to say that parts of this film had me enraged, due to its blatant bias. for example there was a scene where a priest is about to rape a young girl...another scene where the homosexual lifestyle is glorified... an overtone of equating Christians with Facism....and overall, this movie shows terrorism as a nobel work, where the underdog gets a chance to win. Was anyone else angered after seeing this movie? I have to say, as a fantasy story, it was ok, but the obvious connections to todays world overshadowed it all. After seeing this film a neutral observer sees the Christian in that world as a violent intolerant oppressive bigot. so..what did you all think of this movie, and have you seen any others with the same anti-Christian themes?[/quote]

Yes, absolutely. I've been finding this theme quite a bit more prominent, especially after Mel Gibson's "Passon of the Christ" movie. "V" had a strong homosexual agenda, as well.

[Lena]

I thought it was a really good movie, it didn't fit the mold of every other lame movie that comes out these days ("Good Luck Chuck" for instance)---and the graphic novel (which it was based on) was really interesting, but different (had to read it for class). It's really similar to [i]1984[/i]...I think the overall message is to constantly question the role of the government, your place within that/your views...I'll have to watch it again, I own it but haven't seen it in awhile. It also serves as a warning and reflection on today.

The part with the priest I thought was a way for the movie to connect with the current events going on, I disliked that part also because why priests? because it (at that point) was the hot topic...so, it was kind of playing off that. That's probably the point though --since many of the topics in the movie are involved with current controversy that is happening right now, or [i]could[/i] happen.

[Justin86]

I remember when that show 24 did a season about the Islamic terrorist sleeper cell before every episode they put Kiefer Sutherland on and had him jump up and down saying how Muslims are really good hearted peace-loving people, and blah, blah, blah.

How come when you want to make a movie/TV show glorifying us fighting our enemies you basically have to apologize for it, but you can make a shows and movies glorifying our enemies attacking us and no one cares?

Can someone explain to me how we got this messed up?

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Lena' post='1406480' date='Oct 21 2007, 09:28 AM']I thought it was a really good movie, it didn't fit the mold of every other lame movie that comes out these days ("Good Luck Chuck" for instance)---and the graphic novel (which it was based on) was really interesting, but different (had to read it for class). It's really similar to [i]1984[/i]...I think the overall message is to constantly question the role of the government, your place within that/your views...I'll have to watch it again, I own it but haven't seen it in awhile. It also serves as a warning and reflection on today.

The part with the priest I thought was a way for the movie to connect with the current events going on, I disliked that part also because why priests? because it (at that point) was the hot topic...so, it was kind of playing off that. That's probably the point though --since many of the topics in the movie are involved with current controversy that is happening right now, or [i]could[/i] happen.[/quote]

That was my take on it when I watched the movie. I wasn't enraged at all, in fact I rather liked it despite the obvious liberal political slant. Its been awhile since I watched it, but I remember weighing some of the pros and cons of what I thought the message was (example: approval of homosexual lifestyle was definitely a con, but on the other hand showing the fact that its wrong to treat people as sub-human and use them as lab rats because of a flaw was a pro).

[S][N]

I liked the movie a lot. Especially the Guy Fawkes connection. Good to see old Republican heroes making a show in todays world. Too bad he wasn't successful..could've been a different world, especially for Eire.

[Didacus]

I enjoyed the movie to tell you the truth, but it was shadowed by several references of Anti-Christinanity and Anti-Catholicism. anyone make a research on the original folklore of 'Remember Remember, the Fifth of November'?

I actually found a website claiming the riddle was an act of Catholic terrorism. !



The worse is yet to come.


Overall though, it was a pretty good action type movie, and I would give it a 6.8/10 with all Anti-Catholic rhetoric aside. Because of its pro-homosexual agenda and the likes however, I would not openly recomment the movie to everyone.

[S][N]

How do you know it's Pro-Homo, and not just their to be apart of the story?

Just seems you catholics find an agenda in everything, when it may not exist.

[Didacus]

[quote name='S][N' post='1407169' date='Oct 22 2007, 10:54 AM']
How do you know it's Pro-Homo, and not just their to be apart of the story?

Just seems you catholics find an agenda in everything, when it may not exist.[/quote]

When you have as many people gunning for you, its easy to get a little paranoid.

And we do have plenty to found our crazy and wacky tehories on; many are openly and specifically anti-catholic.

Anti-catholicism is the fastest growing and most accepted prejudice in North America these days.

[S][N]

Anti-Muslim would be the fastest growing, catholics have taken a backseat lately.

And as a ex-catholic I know all about it, I use to do apologetics.

[kamiller42]

I found V dull. I tell fans of V to watch another movie about government suppression very apt to today, Equilibrium. It's with Christian Bale, the new Batman. Much better and believable story. Ok, other than the crazy fun action sequences. It is rated R for violence sequences, so it's not for everyone.

The basic story line is in the future, people have been convinced their emotions are the source of the world's problems and must be suppressed (killed) with hourly shots of drugs. Given Catholic theology of life, that sentence alone should set off some "ah-has!" Substitute "emotions" with "fertility," and you can see where I'm going.

[The Joey-O]

[quote name='kamiller42' post='1408375' date='Oct 24 2007, 02:09 AM']I found V dull. I tell fans of V to watch another movie about government suppression very apt to today, Equilibrium. It's with Christian Bale, the new Batman. Much better and believable story. Ok, other than the crazy fun action sequences. It is rated R for violence sequences, so it's not for everyone.

The basic story line is in the future, people have been convinced their emotions are the source of the world's problems and must be suppressed (killed) with hourly shots of drugs. Given Catholic theology of life, that sentence alone should set off some "ah-has!" Substitute "emotions" with "fertility," and you can see where I'm going.[/quote]

Equilibrium? Out of all the fantastic sci-fi/fantasy government conspiracy movies out there and you pick Equilibrium? Equilibrium was entertaining because it employed Matrix camera styles and gun fights. Other than that, it had nothing going for it. It was a bad spin on sci-fi classics.

I love V for Vendetta. However, I recognize some really big moral errors (you would never ever want children to watch this movie). First, the comic book series was overtly pro-drug use and pro-sexual immorality (in a general way). The main detective guy uses acid to "illuminate" his mind and reveal the links between the various events. And, Evey is a prostitute in the comics. The movie is a step up in as much as it no longer takes a pro-drug stance.

I think that religious views being pushed isn't anti-Christian. It's anti-fascist Christianity. It's against those that try to force others to be a specific religious view. Now, the fact that it would associate fascism with Christianity is sad but common. And, I am almost certain that it's not anti-Catholic. I'm fairly sure that the Bishop who tries to abuse Evey is Anglican. V actually talks a little bit about God, but his views seem a mix between general Islamic theology and Deism.

What I got from this movie, that I felt was both powerful and useful can be best expressed in this line: "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." It's up there with Ben Franklin's "Those who sacrifice liberty for security will lose both and deserve neither."

It's just a compelling movie.

[N/A Gone]

V is pro catholic

Guy Fawkes (13 April 1570 – 31 January 1606), was a member of a group of English Roman Catholics who attempted to carry out the Gunpowder Plot, an attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament and kill King James I of England, to destroy Protestant rule by killing the Protestant aristocracy, on 5 November 1605.

woot-woot...



Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder, treason and plot,
I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.

[S][N]

Love that poem!

[hoosieranna]

I liked the movie. I like satire anyway. Dystopic satire is even better. I don't actively search for biases, so I don't usually see them. It sounds superficial, but I've admitted in the past that I am not particularly philosophical. Not shallow, I just tend to make my decision and move on. If nothing else, it has good explosions.