XIX Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 [quote name='Nadezhda' post='1401072' date='Oct 12 2007, 12:52 AM']There are still some of us non-Catholics here. The degree of militancy varies wildly. I'm here because I'm curious and still learning. Some are here to proselytize.[/quote] I dunno how I forgot you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofJPII Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) [i]There are Protestants I know who have been taught the truth of the Catholic faith several times, and after many conversations with me (and a bunch of other Catholics) they still hold onto their false ideas. I'd consider them to be culpable for the sin of heresy.[/i][/i] Only God can judge such things, not us. We don't know what is going on in their head/heart/soul. It depends.... if they really and know and believe that the CC is the one true Church and willing choose to reject it, then yes they are guilty. If they really believe their faith is okay, and they are loving God with their full heart, I believe God will have mercy on them Nevertheless, calling them a heretic is uncharitable and will acomplish nothing. Same thing with calling someone who lives a life of sin a "pagan." I think "poor sinner" the term Our Lady has used in several apparitions is more appropriate. Of course, there are people who practice witchcraft, in which case, "pagan" is appropriate. Edited October 12, 2007 by friendofJPII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofJPII Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 [quote name='Andreas E.' post='1401074' date='Oct 11 2007, 10:53 PM']I put "Christian" for religion as I am not a Catholic, but I do not belong to any particular protestant denomination either. I do not identify myself with any protestant church.[/quote] I'm glad you're here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) [quote name='missionseeker' post='1400989' date='Oct 11 2007, 08:00 PM']Like Raph said, most modern Protestants would probably fall under the ctegory of Material heretic. Not formal.[/quote] Most Protestants are baptised but are not baptised Catholic. We never believe in papal infallibility to begin with. Do I mean nothing to you people? Do I not matter? Am I invisible? Or was this for very mean spirited Protestants? Do you only count really doctrinally argumentitive Protestants? Your token Prot. L&T P.S. Yes, I admit that I do come and go a bit. Edited October 12, 2007 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaHilarious Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 [quote name='Light and Truth' post='1401126' date='Oct 12 2007, 12:15 AM']Most Protestants are baptised but are not baptised Catholic. We never believe in papal infallibility to begin with. Do I mean nothing to you people? Do I not matter? Am I invisible? Or was this for very mean spirited Protestants? Do you only count really doctrinally argumentitive Protestants? Your token Prot. L&T P.S. Yes, I admit that I do come and go a bit.[/quote] I can see this post, so I guess you're not invisible. In response to your comment about baptism, though, it should be pointed out that the Church recognizes all Trinitarian (in the Christian sense, not in any pseudo-cultist definition) baptisms as valid. Therefore, there is a distinct connection in the body of Christ that all baptized Christians share. How that related to papal infallibility, I dunno. Maybe I missed something. [Not sure what the point of such a thread is or how it really promotes a healthy dialogue, btw.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 [quote name='PapaHilarious' post='1401127' date='Oct 12 2007, 12:29 AM']I can see this post, so I guess you're not invisible. In response to your comment about baptism, though, it should be pointed out that the Church recognizes all Trinitarian (in the Christian sense, not in any pseudo-cultist definition) baptisms as valid. Therefore, there is a distinct connection in the body of Christ that all baptized Christians share. How that related to papal infallibility, I dunno. Maybe I missed something. [Not sure what the point of such a thread is or how it really promotes a healthy dialogue, btw.][/quote] I meant that as an example of how we have never really fully bought into all of what you believe to begin with. Many of us have only been members of distinctly non-Catholic ecclesiastical groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 I think the world should only be divided into two groups: Catholic and non-Catholic. Non-Catholics should be killed. The world would be alot simpler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofJPII Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) We have to remember also that language usage changes over time. For example, we wouldn't say that our happy friend was "gay" anymore, even if the formal definition still fits. Neither do we use the term "illegitimate children.." rather we say children born into single parent families or something else that describes the situation without compromising the dignity of the child. Since Vatican II, the CC has used the term "separated brethren" to describe our Protestant brothers and sisters. Considering that the term "heretic" sounds so harsh, and considering that most Protestants today would be taken aback, we should not use it. If we are going to call anyone a "heretic" we should start with the dissenting Clergy within our own Church. Edited October 12, 2007 by friendofJPII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 [quote name='Justin86' post='1401132' date='Oct 12 2007, 09:16 AM']I think the world should only be divided into two groups: Catholic and non-Catholic. Non-Catholics should be killed. The world would be alot simpler.[/quote] And that's clearly the Catholic attitude... I'd rather live with a thousand Protestants than one person with your attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) double post... Edited October 12, 2007 by Noel's angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Wow some people take everything seriously. Yeah, I really want to kill everyone who isn't Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Maybe some people just aren't good at telling jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) "because the world would be alot simpler"? oh come on, who would ever really say that. Edited October 12, 2007 by Justin86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 You just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin86 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Wow, I have to be quite literal with you. I meant say it and actually mean it, obviously. Do you have any sense of sacrasm whatsoever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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