Seven77 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 modern day protestants can't rightly be called heretics. only the "reformers" could... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Right...something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Like Raph said, most modern Protestants would probably fall under the ctegory of Material heretic. Not formal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 I should post a question on this in Transmundane or Q&A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendan1104 Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 If I embrace the modernist heresy, then I am a modernist heretic. The arian heresy, then I am an arian heretic. Etc. etc. etc. [quote name='Seven77' post='1400980' date='Oct 11 2007, 07:49 PM']modern day protestants can't rightly be called heretics. only the "reformers" could...[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 yes, but most mosern day heretics don't start out Catholic. That's the point. They wer taught that heresy was truth through no fault of their own. Therefore, they are in a sort of invincible ignorance. YES ONLY to a degree, but it's there nonetheless. That's the difference between material and formal. Formal heretics used to be Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendofJPII Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) [quote name='missionseeker' post='1401017' date='Oct 11 2007, 09:33 PM']yes, but most mosern day heretics don't start out Catholic. That's the point. They wer taught that heresy was truth through no fault of their own. Therefore, they are in a sort of invincible ignorance. YES ONLY to a degree, but it's there nonetheless. That's the difference between material and formal. Formal heretics used to be Catholic.[/quote] Even then they might not fully understand what they left. If those Catholics who left the Church fully understood our faith and what they were leaving, I doubt many would. Edited October 12, 2007 by friendofJPII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 true indeed. basically it boils down to culpabiltiy being dependent upon knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 [quote name='missionseeker' post='1401017' date='Oct 11 2007, 11:33 PM']yes, but most mosern day heretics don't start out Catholic. That's the point. They wer taught that heresy was truth through no fault of their own. Therefore, they are in a sort of invincible ignorance. YES ONLY to a degree, but it's there nonetheless. That's the difference between material and formal. Formal heretics used to be Catholic.[/quote] I thought, to some degree, being baptized did make you a member of the Catholic Church. and modern day Protestants are still heretics, if they profess to believe something contrary to what the Church teaches. There are Protestants I know who have been taught the truth of the Catholic faith several times, and after many conversations with me (and a bunch of other Catholics) they still hold onto their false ideas. I'd consider them to be culpable for the sin of heresy. There are also people that were raised in Protestant homes, and through no fault of their own were taught false ideas. They're still heretics, but they aren't culpable for such sins until the authentic Catholic faith has been presented to them. Heretic isn't a derogatory term meant to insult people. Of course God loves heretics. They're our brothers and sisters in Christ, and we are called to treat them with charity. Are we supposed to tactlessly remind Protestants over and over again that they are heretics while we shove Catholic teaching down their throats? No. But the Church has formally defined Protestantism as a heresy, and until the 20th century, it was a sin to go to a Protestant church service. As much as Protestants are our brothers and sisters in Christ, we are not in communion with them. That hurts Our Lord even more than it hurts us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) nvm Edited October 12, 2007 by XIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 [quote name='photosynthesis' post='1401054' date='Oct 11 2007, 10:23 PM']I thought, to some degree, being baptized did make you a member of the Catholic Church. and modern day Protestants are still heretics, if they profess to believe something contrary to what the Church teaches. There are Protestants I know who have been taught the truth of the Catholic faith several times, and after many conversations with me (and a bunch of other Catholics) they still hold onto their false ideas. I'd consider them to be culpable for the sin of heresy. There are also people that were raised in Protestant homes, and through no fault of their own were taught false ideas. They're still heretics, but they aren't culpable for such sins until the authentic Catholic faith has been presented to them.[/quote] yes Being baptized makes you a member of the Church but unless you were baptized Catholic, the Church has no ecclesial authority over you and therefore you aren't a formal heretic. I think. I am tired and stressed and not explaining things very well, so I will stop.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosieranna Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 There are still some of us non-Catholics here. The degree of militancy varies wildly. I'm here because I'm curious and still learning. Some are here to proselytize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas E. Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 I put "Christian" for religion as I am not a Catholic, but I do not belong to any particular protestant denomination either. I do not identify myself with any protestant church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 [quote name='Nadezhda' post='1401072' date='Oct 11 2007, 10:52 PM']There are still some of us non-Catholics here. The degree of militancy varies wildly. I'm here because I'm curious and still learning. Some are here to proselytize.[/quote] or as one of my friends said "polyesterize" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 is protestantism a heresy? do protestants believe the protestant heresy? Heretic does not mean Hellish demon. It means misguided Christian. Protestants (not to mention most Catholics) are heretics. FULL STOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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