For Guys Only - Modesty Survey

[XIX]

[quote name='Innocent' post='1398666' date='Oct 7 2007, 12:20 AM']Umm... the way I see it, Christianity [i]is[/i] about impossibly high standards - impossible to attain without Christ, that is.[/quote]
I didn't mean that. I meant that they are standards that we quite literally do not have the free will to choose. That is what I mean be impossible. If I have Jesus, I can do the impossible. But that does not mean He is going to grant me the power to pull off demigod-like feats like holding my breath for six hours. Likewise, He is not going to simply turn me into a zombie-head that doesn't even notice am unchaste nuance.

[quote]At least, I think that there are standards that are more difficult to reach than what Beatty has set here. For example, the standard of not telling untruths, ever. I find that very difficult to maintain, even more difficult than purity of mind - and I have serious problems with the sin of impurity.[/quote]
Apparently one of us is misinterpreting his quote. Maybe it's me. But what really became a sticking point for me was when he said that he had already failed if he even begins to think that a miniskirt is too high. I don't really understand that. I would literally be in mortal sin 99.99% of the time.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='XIX' post='1401030' date='Oct 11 2007, 10:43 PM']I didn't mean that. I meant that they are standards that we quite literally do not have the free will to choose. That is what I mean be impossible. If I have Jesus, I can do the impossible. But that does not mean He is going to grant me the power to pull off demigod-like feats like holding my breath for six hours. Likewise, He is not going to simply turn me into a zombie-head that doesn't even notice am unchaste nuance.
Apparently one of us is misinterpreting his quote. Maybe it's me. But what really became a sticking point for me was when he said that he had already failed if he even begins to think that a miniskirt is too high. I don't really understand that. I would literally be in mortal sin 99.99% of the time.[/quote]

This is coming from a girl, and what I thought he was saying is that he feels he can't control where his thoughts go after he sees a miniskirt or something. Of course he can, but maybe he was just saying how hard the girl makes it on him. ?

[Seven77]

[quote name='XIX' post='1401030' date='Oct 11 2007, 09:43 PM']Apparently one of us is misinterpreting his quote. Maybe it's me. But what really became a sticking point for me was when he said that he had already failed if he even begins to think that a miniskirt is too high. I don't really understand that. I would literally be in mortal sin 99.99% of the time.[/quote]

I think he meant thinking [i]too[/i] much about her miniskirt---setting up for a near occasion of sin.

Personally i can relate--analyzing immodesty dressed women is dangerous business for me.

[quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1401107' date='Oct 11 2007, 11:49 PM']This is coming from a girl, and what I thought he was saying is that he feels he can't control where his thoughts go after he sees a miniskirt or something. Of course he can, but maybe he was just saying how hard the girl makes it on him. ?[/quote]

that's it!

[Ziggamafu]

1. She is an evil jerk who deliberately dresses in such a way that her womanly features are highlighted or exposed.

2. Though a man's hunger be constant and godly, he must resist the steak that is just as constantly wafted teasingly under his nose and past his lips.

[jeffpugh]

Umm... what's this a response to? Not all women really understand what they're doing when tempting a man. And yeah, guys have got to resist...

[corban711]

first my answers to the poll. strongly agree. strongly disagree. agree. modesty is not only important for all girls, it is important for everyone. for the second one i put strongly disagree. i don't lose respect for a girl because of how she dresses any more. but honestly, it makes me really sad that 1.) girls feel the need to dress immodestly to get a guys attention and 2.) guys are all too willing to give them that attention because of immodest dress. it breaks my heart to know that girls feel like they have to dress in provocative ways in order to have a chance at the love their hearts desire. if anything, i tend to make sure i show them the respect they deserve...not because i don't respect them but because they have probably been repeatedly used and mistreated and it kills me to know that. i do my best to attempt to "make up" for that so to speak. for the third one...guys DO notice when a girl dresses modestly and it is attractive. however i can't put strongly agree because i do think that most guys are to varying degrees oblivious at times. but for the most part it is noticed when a girl is modest.

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1396126' date='Oct 1 2007, 05:41 PM']Plus two questions:

If you could say one thing to your sisters in Christ about modesty, what would it be?

As a guy, what is your responsibility in this area? What is your role in guarding your eyes and mind?[/quote]



one thing about modesty? sheesh. i don't know. there are probably many things. i think a lot of women ive talked to feel like modesty will somehow rob them of their beauty. i think that many women have been told that anything that shows off their features will lead us to sin and can't be worn. but modesty is so much more than a list of what not to wear because if you did it would certainly cause someone to sin. it is much more of who you are and your knowing and living out your dignity as a child of God. modesty does not mean dress unattractively or that you can't look cute. it doesn't mean that you have to hide your body or feel unfeminine. modestly is more about glorifying God in your body and dressing/acting in a way that doesn't say "use me". it is respecting your incredible dignity and beauty.


a guys responsibility is really huge here i think. unfortunately we live in a culture where immodest dress is everywhere. we are very fallen. but i am of the opinion that if i can't look at a girl who is showing off her shoulders without lusting after her, then how will i ever really love my wife? (not married now...just saying) marriage won't magically cure a lustful heart by making it ok to lust. guys need to know their limits and they need to be honest with themselves about what they can/can't look out without falling into sin and really need to strive for purity of heart. they should also be able to tell a friend if they think something she is wearing is something that is potentially scandalous/immodest and that needs to be done very respectfully and with great care.

[jeffpugh]

Great post, Corban!

[corban711]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1441449' date='Jan 3 2008, 12:08 AM']

Great post, Corban![/quote]


thanks!

[XIX]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1401107' date='Oct 12 2007, 12:49 AM']This is coming from a girl, and what I thought he was saying is that he feels he can't control where his thoughts go after he sees a miniskirt or something. Of course he can, but maybe he was just saying how hard the girl makes it on him. ?[/quote]
Perhaps that's what he meant...all I am saying is that, if I see a miniskirt, it occurs to me that she is immodestly dressed. Then hopefully I will say a prayer for her. That's really it...I wasn't even talking about temptation...just that I normally at least think "yeah, I would not consider that to be modest."

But I'm glad that this guy apparently knows his temptations and his limitations (as I certainly have my own as well)

[Spamity Calamity]

Basically with me is if you dress all slutty I'm not gonna take you seriously. And I don't think alot of people will either. Im not talking about clubbing and other special occasions but if your normal everyday dress is like that then..yeah...im not gonna take you seriously. Im gonna think you have your mind on baser things in life and I'm not looking to associate with people who dont have the same priorities as me.

Edited January 3, 2008 by Spamity Calamity

[jeffpugh]

So you need a miniskirt to do this?

[jeffpugh]

[Jesus_lol]

i see no reason for women to hide their figure at all. you can be somewhat revealing and attractive without being immodest to me. also it is totally seasonal, when it is summer time i often just go around in shorts, and aside from basic coverage i dont see why girls cant do the same sort of thing. again it is all dependant on circumstances, ie location: beach, mall, etc.

i do find the more form fitting and flattering dress to be very attractive and beautiful without making me a "slobbering lust junkie", and if i knew a sure fire way to dress to make myself noticeably more attractive to women, i probably would.

edit: i mean other than this:
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Edited November 18, 2008 by Jesus_lol

[Guest]

voted agree on all three.


If you could say one thing to your sisters in Christ about modesty, what would it be?

I would say that its a very important virtue to have in this day and age. Men (and who alot of us are weak in the flesh) are constanly bombarded with sexual imagry everywhere we go. Wether its on tv or just looking in a magazine. Alot of it is used intentionally to have us lust. I think its important for sisters in Christ to display modesty because its refreshing and reminds us that you love us and you are not here to lead us into sin. I know that even if a woman is inmodest its still no excuse to sin but it does make it more difficult.


As a guy, what is your responsibility in this area? What is your role in guarding your eyes and mind?

Great question, we hold a huge repsonsiblity. Jesus said to even look at a woman with lust is to commit adultry in your heart. Thats some sobering words becasue it is really tough in this day and age (its probally always been tough) But it just seems like today its everywhere. I think its very important for guys to guard their eyes and mind because falling into mortal sin is terrible. Being cutoff from God is not something that you want to experience. And the devil is so suddle with lust, masturbation and fornication. I think its very important to do whatever it takes to gaurd your mind and eyes so you can stay out of mortal sin.

Edited November 18, 2008 by Guest

[Guest]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1396941' date='Oct 2 2007, 11:54 PM']Out here they call those women "jumper queens." (after the jumpers they wear everywhere)


For some reason, I do rather like the sound of "great skirts of thunder."

"Great Skirts of Thunder!"

"Holy Balls of Redemption!"[/quote]