Gays Express Dismay Over Pace's Statement

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1395126' date='Sep 29 2007, 01:35 PM']Does the same hold true for baths?[/quote]

Just how big is your bathtub?

[Paddington]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1395126' date='Sep 29 2007, 04:05 PM']Does the same hold true for baths?[/quote]

No. That would be throwing out the baby with the bath water.

[Norseman82]

First, I think that dUSt is just pulling everyone's leg with his remark...

I think ironmonk pointed out in another thread that Pace is Catholic. Adds a whole new dimension to "Semper Fi".

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote]"My upbringing is one that says that sex between anyone other than a man or woman inside the bonds of marriage is a sin," he said during the Senate Appropriations Committee hearing as protesters booed and called him a bigot.[/quote]

to me, that sounds like he's against both homosexual acts and heterosexual adulterous ones. why are we only focusing on the homosexual side?

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1395148' date='Sep 29 2007, 12:51 PM']to me, that sounds like he's against both homosexual acts and heterosexual adulterous ones. why are we only focusing on the homosexual side?[/quote]

Because today's modern culture proclaims that "gay is good" and criticizing anything that is gay is bad/evil.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1395149' date='Sep 29 2007, 01:53 PM']Because today's modern culture proclaims that "gay is good" and criticizing anything that is gay is bad/evil.[/quote]

"proclaims that 'gay is good'" - Now, if you are saying the culture refers to actual homosexual [i]acts[/i] as goods, then, yes, it does. However, that same modern (or rather, postmodern) culture also proclaims that promiscuity and premarital sex are goods as well, which is why i raised the question.

Now, if you are saying the culture proclaims that gays themselves are ontologically good, well, to the extent that they have been baptized (and are thus are adopted sons and daughters of God and co-heirs with Jesus), then i believe that the Church would agree as well, regardless of sexual attraction.

Also, i'm not really sure what you mean by the second half of your sentence, "criticizing anything that is gay is bad/evil."

edit: forgot to close the quote at the beginning of my post.

Edited September 29, 2007 by fides quarens intellectum

[Norseman82]

[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1395148' date='Sep 29 2007, 02:51 PM']to me, that sounds like he's against both homosexual acts and heterosexual adulterous ones. why are we only focusing on the homosexual side?[/quote]

Well, for one thing, there is a 'homosexual agenda', if you see how Hollywood tries to shove acceptance of homosexuality down our throats.

Second, to the best of my knowledge, adultery is punishable under the UCMJ, and I recall reading about military brass who got into trouble over it.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1394715' date='Sep 28 2007, 11:02 AM']I don't understand why homosexuals aren't allowed to enlist...[/quote]

Many reasons...
Because it would be saying that it's an ok lifestyle.
Because of occasions of sin... it would be like me living with a bunch of women and showering with them.
Because the majority of normal men do not want to have to live with a homosexual.
Because it is an abomination to God to practice homosexual acts.
Because we cannot have people lusting after others in a fox hole during battle.


Before Clinton, people were asked if they were homosexual - if they said yes, then they were not allowed to join. Clinton is the reason I didn't join. There are no logical reasons to let homosexuals join the military, there are many reasons not to. "Don't ask, don't tell" was not an open invitation, it was saying that homosexuals are not allowed but "if we won't ask and you don't tell then there is no way for us to know that you are a homo".

Homosexuality hurts society, not only because God said no, but because it does not procreate children. People must produce children to help society, the family unit is what society is built upon... Homosexuality is anti-family.

God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited September 30, 2007 by ironmonk

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1395250' date='Sep 29 2007, 05:06 PM']Well, for one thing, there is a 'homosexual agenda', if you see how Hollywood tries to shove acceptance of homosexuality down our throats.

Second, to the best of my knowledge, adultery is punishable under the UCMJ, and I recall reading about military brass who got into trouble over it.[/quote]

yes, i agree there is a 'homosexual agenda' in Hollywood to promote the homosexual lifestyle, but i would also say there is an agenda to promote heterosexual relations outside the confines of marriage.

For your second point, please excuse me for being a civilian who is very ignorant about how everything in the military operates - are you saying that adultery is currently punishable under the UCMJ, but homosexual acts are not? Just curious. What about heterosexual acts between unmarried persons?

look, guys, all i am saying is that it seems to me that Pace was speaking against [i]all[/i] sexual acts outside of marriages (husband and wife). if we are going to applaud him for standing up for his faith/challenging the culture's moral norms, then why are we only singling out the homosexual side of this?

[Anomaly]

If you look up the UCMJ, it specifically addresses punishment for rape, underage sex, and 'un-natural carnal knowledge' (bestiality and sodomy). Sodomy is specifically prohibited wether it's male or female). The General Articles
933. ARTICLE 133. CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN
Any commissioned officer, cadet, or midshipman who is convicted of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

934. ARTICLE 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

Are where Adultry is punished. You can't sleep with another man's wife, etc., because it's extremely disruptive to the stability of the family and marriage.

Why this fear of outlawing homosexuality? It used to not be a problem until vocal people demanded their 'right' to be sinful and engage in homosexuality.