Allright, Now I'm (mad)!

[rachael]

can you give me the URL please?

im lazy ^_^

[cimlog]

I believe it was on the first page of this topic.

[socalscout]

I just got an e-mail from the administrator of an Evangelical Board where I post.  A little background:  There is one guy who consistently posts the Memorare and Hail Holy Queen as "proof" of Catholic idolatry.  We, the Catholics on the board, will refute him, only for him to post them again.  When we tell him to stop posting them over and over again, he tells us that we are ashamed of the prayers.  So, to prove a point, I made the Hail Holy Queen my signature.  Today, I got a letter from the administrator saying:

Alright, whether it was in violation is questionable.  However, now I'm not allowed to use a signiture at all AND NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY CATHOLIC DISCUSSIONS!!!  So basically, I get to sit there and watch people bash my faith and I'm not allowed to do anything about it?  I don't think so!  This member of the Church Militant just got a lot more militant.

I got almost the exact same from Christianity.com

Crosswalk has a cool Bible search engine though.

Edited February 11, 2004 by socalscout

[VeraMaria]

it's too complicated.

i like PhatMass cuz it's simple. it recently got a lil more complicated, but i can handle it. it's just complicated enough.

that forum has like 50 diff. boards...

no thanx... :ph34r:

c'mon Al, we need you! :mellow:

[Aloysius]

it wont send me a confirmation email... :ph34r:

[VeraMaria]

I registered. My name is (surprise, surprise) VeraMaria.

Let's go into battle :club: :club: :club: :club: :club:

[nikkan_hanil]

Thats messed up. I'd bet you any amount of money that the forum guidelines said nothing about Catholic prayers of "idolatry" and that administrator just booted you out because of his anti-catholicism. :getaclue:

[the_rev]

How do you type Lord have mercy in latin I mean spell it!

[VeraMaria]

Whoa, those boards are messed up :wacko:

[Aloysius]

i toldya...

i'm gonna havta sign up again cuz it's not sendin me validation.... :ph34r:

[aByzantineCatholic]

willguy,

Here is a good website to start with on Mary:

THE FALLING ASLEEP OF MARY

The Role of the Queen Mother

To understand Mary’s role better, it is helpful to understand the customary role of the Queen Mother in ancient times. For there to be a Queen Mother, the king would have to have died (or relinquished the throne) such that his son was reigning in his place.

One time this happened when King David was an old man. David had promised that Solomon, the son of Bathsheba would reign in his place (1 Kings 1:13, 17, 30). Realizing that David was bedridden and near death, Adonijah, the son of Haggith (one of David’s wives - 2 Samuel 3:4) exalted himself saying "I will be king" (1 Kings 1:5). Getting Joab, the commander of the army and Abiathar, the high priest, to side with him, Adonijah set himself up as heir to the throne. When David heard about it, however, he had Nathan the prophet and Zadok the priest anoint Solomon king and organize a parade through Jerusalem.

This put Adonijah in the role of a traitor and usurper. Adonijah later admitted that the kingdom belonged to Solomon from the Lord and that he almost had it for himself. When he begged for mercy from Solomon, Solomon granted him mercy, sent him home and did not execute him.

After David died, Adonijah came to Bathsheba, Solomon’s mother, and now the Queen Mother, and asked her to ask Solomon for the hand of Abishag, King David’s nurse, that he might marry her (1 Kings 2:13-17). Abishag had been selected to care for David in his old age and even to lie next to him to help him keep warm (1 Kings 1:1-4). This meant Abishag was like one of David’s concubines and for one of David’s sons to request her for a wife was to request incest (compare 1 Corinthians 5:1).

When Bathsheba went to present this request to King Solomon, Solomon rose to meet her, bowed down before her and then set her on a throne at his right hand. Then Solomon told his mother to present her request, "for I will not refuse you" (1 Kings 2:19-20). Solomon had to refuse her, however, because her request violated Mosaic Law (Leviticus 18:6-29), even though Abishag never had sexual relations with David.

The Queen Mother was very influential in Israel, but not always for the good of the nation. King Asa (Solomon’s great grandson) was trying to do what was right in the sight of the Lord. However, his mother Maacah was busy making a horrible image as an Asherah. Asa removed his mother from the position of Queen Mother and destroyed the Asherah (2 Chronicles 15:16, 1 Kings 15:13).

Similarly with Asa’s great grandson Ahaziah. The Queen Mother then was Athaliah, the granddaughter of Omri, King of Israel. Omri was the father of the evil king Ahab who fought against the Prophet Elijah. As Queen Mother, Athaliah counseled her son to walk in the ways of the house of Ahab (2 Chronicles 22:2-4).

Even in matters of state, the Queen Mother had a role. For example, when King Jehoiachin was besieged by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, the dignitaries that went out to meet Nebuchadnezzar were Jehoiachin, the Queen Mother, his servants, his captains and his officials, in that order (2 Kings 24:12; Jeremiah 22:24-26).

Table I is a list of the kings of Judah from Solomon to the Babylonian captivity. For every one of these kings, the Queen Mother is also mentioned in the summary statement of his reign. [There is one exception: King Ahaz of Judah who apparently had no Queen Mother; that is, she died before he became king.] One might note also that the king’s wife is not mentioned in these summary statements since the king often had more than one wife. But he had only one mother.

These examples illustrates the influence of the Queen Mother. She was regarded as a very important person, worthy of a throne, whose requests will be granted by the King. Since Jesus was universally regarded in the Church as the King of Kings (Revelation 19:16, Daniel 2:47, Mark 14:62, Luke 22:69, Acts 2:36), Mary, as His mother, held a similar place of honor as did Bathsheba during the reign of Solomon, Maacah during the reign of Asa, and Athaliah during the reign of Ahaziah. Whereas many of the Queen Mothers during the history of Judah were not necessarily devoted to godliness, Mary was.

Mary’s role as Queen Mother was also prophesied by the sons of Korah in Psalm 45. Verses 6 and 7 are quoted in Hebrews as referring to the Son of God: "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom. Thou has loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Thy God, has anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows" (Psalm 45:6-7, Hebrews 1:8-9). But then verse 9 states, "Kings’ daughters are among Thy noble ladies; at Thy right hand stands the queen in gold from Ophir" (Psalm 45:9). Since Jesus never married, the "queen" can only refer to Mary, the Queen Mother.

Of interest also are two letters from Ignatius, later Bishop of Antioch (martyred c. 107 AD), to the Apostle John and one letter from Ignatius to the Virgin Mary and her reply82. These letters had to have been written prior to Ignatius’ ordination as Bishop died c. 55 AD. Some critics discount these letters as later forgeries due to a different literary style than the letters genuinely attributed to Ignatius in 107 AD. This is really inadequate grounds for rejection, since (1) a person’s literary style can change over 60 years and (2) these letters were drafted by Ignatius himself while the "genuine" ones were dictated to a scribe while Ignatius was being led as an old man to Rome to be fed to the lions.

The content of the four letters is very brief. The first letter to the Apostle John asks John to come speak to the Church in Antioch and to bring the Virgin Mary with him, since she was living in his house (John 19:26-27) Many of the women in Antioch wanted to meet Mary. Some even made pilgrimages to Jerusalem to meet her and one Salome stayed with her five months. This Salome gave a glowing report in Antioch of Mary as a model of godliness and good works. In the second letter, Ignatius requested John’s leave to visit Jerusalem himself to see first the Virgin Mary, and also James, the Lord’s brother (Galatians 1:19) and Bishop of Jerusalem.

In the letter to the Virgin Mary, Ignatius asked her about things related by John concerning Jesus that only she would know: the things she treasured in her heart (Luke 2:19, 51). Mary replied that she will come to Antioch with John soon, and encouraged Ignatius to stand fast in the Faith and not to let the fierceness of the persecution move him.

Good Luck!

[Aloysius]

argh... it cant re-send the validation email,,, i dont think it's gonna let me join :(

Edited February 11, 2004 by Aloysius

[the_rev]

If any of you care my name there is:

JMJkyrie_eleison

[the_rev]

Which topics shall we present the truth of the Church Jesus Christ started!

[Laudate_Dominum]

Their forums are weird. The site messes me up... I'm too impatient to figure it all out. I posted something yesterday and I can't find my post anymore!