Mel Gibson Says His Wife Could Be Going To Hell

[-I---Love]

well, if Mother Theresa said that... i hate to disagree but I DO!

our job as Christians is to make muslims better Catholics, hindus better Catholics, and Christians better Catholics. "UNIVERSAL" means everybody's invited.

Our job as Christians isn't to convert everyone to Catholicism; our work as Christians is LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If we convert by our love, then Praise Be Jesus! If we don't then we haven't failed in our work. We only fail in our work as Christians, in our life as Christians, when we do not love. I do not like to say that our job is to make everyone Catholic when that is the possible fruits of our labor - our mission is love and should be stated as such.

Furthermore whether or not Bl. Teresa stated what we've discussed does not matter because it is true. We all agree parts of the truth can be found out of Catholicism and at some point or another we will all have to chose - so why not allow ppl to became the closest to God in their faith - whatever it is - and then they can chose to come closer by being Catholic?

And quite frankly every Buddhist, Muslim, etc. is closer to God than me so there you go.

[Aloysius]

hold up there, Jesus said to go and convert all nations. how do we do it, by our love of course. conversion without love is nothing.

don't be so quick to embrace other ppl's religions though. while they may have some truth, they still have much heresy and thus, out of charity and love for them, we must try to correct them.

And quite frankly every Buddhist, Muslim, etc. is closer to God than me so there you go.

i do not believe this is true. u need to stop putting yourself down. humility is a good thing, but humility isn't saying "everyone in the world must be better than me" it's saying "with my limited knowledge only knowing the contents of my hearts and no one elses, i don't know who's better and who's not, but i am a sinner and flee to mercy of my Lord knowing only my faults and how horrid they are, not truly knowing anyone elses nor needing to know anyone elses, for mine are bad enough"

how are the Buddhists of the world closer to God than you when they don't even believe He exists?

anyway, the Church has proclaimed as a Dogma, or an infallible truth essential to the Gospel message, that outside of the Church there is no salvation. the normative means of salvation is through being Catholic on earth, and those who are not Catholic on earth we must seek to correct and bring into the Catholic Church ALWAYS THROUGH LOVE AND CHARITY, but still bring them into the Church. sicut erat in principo, et nunc, et semper. same in the begining, and now, and forever, shall be our Christian mission, to go unto all nations proclaiming the Gospel in actions and words, and baptizing in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy SPirit, not saying, well even if you're not baptized since we hope in the extraordinary means of salvation God gives, how bout i just help you become a better <insert religion here>

that's not the message of Jesus Christ, True God and true Man, who came down to earth to shine upon all men the light of truth and love, that we may know God to the fullest He has revealed Himself to us.

[-I---Love]

No kidding - conversion without love is nothing.

but we have to have love to be Christians - it's everything - God's everything.

and you failed to acknowledge that not only did I say ppl should become better whatever religion they are - but that eventually they will have to chose if they want to come closer by being Catholic ....

honestly i dont' think we're disagreeing on much of anything...

What about JPII telling his best friend to remain Jewish when he was thinking of converting (The Hidden Pope)?

...w/e al :)

[Laudate_Dominum]

The Pope says that the fundamental mission of the Church (that's us) is evangelization!! There are different parts of the body and all that so not everyone is called to be an apostle, but the mission of the Church is to bring the world to Christ. Repentance and baptism into His Church unto salvation.

Granted sometimes the best way to evangelize is to quietly witness with one's actions.

[Aloysius]

i don't agree with JPII unless he knew something that i dont... like there was a wrong motivation for his friend converting.

cuz you can get just as much, nay even more Jewish beauty from Catholocism.. Hebrew Catholics are some of the coolest ppl around

oh and i'm saying our mission isn't to make ppl better <insert religion here> it's to make them Catholic through love and charity of course, and if they become a better <insert religion here> then it's good, well unless we've made them a better secular humanist or better sacrificer of babies, we don't wanna make them a more pagan pagan, we wanna make them a more Christian pagan. we wanna make them better at their religion only in the points of their religion that are true. therefore, we want them to follow the parts of Catholocism that shine through with their influence into their religion while disregarding the other stuff... or in other words, convert hehehe

but without love, if we gain the entire world it is useless.

and regardless of whether we disagree on anything, i still needed to clarify

hehehe :cyclops:

[Oik]

So here is the deal. Mel Gibson is funding a church to be built. No, it is not affliated with the Vatican. No, it is not approved, and No, it is not an SSPX.

I found this on the web:

"This is not unheard of in the Catholic church. It use to be very common. However it is not the case with Mel Gipson, so is in error. Holy Family Chapel is not on his house. It is at 30188 W. Mulholland Highway, between Sierra Creek and Kanan roads in LA. It was not build or maintained by the Diocese of LA. They are not recognized by the Vatican, so technically, they are in schism. Like the Eastern Rite Catholics before they were brought back into the fold. Let us pray for their unification with Rome.... it could happen soon. In Christ, Bill"

-- Bill Nelson (bnelson45@hotmail.com), December 15, 2003.

There is also an article here:

New church

So, is he schimatic or not? That remains to be seen. It looks as though he is dissenting church law on the who and where building, but Gibson also has expressed loyalty to the pope and roman catholicism.

Another point is that, since we do not know who is saying mass, it is possible that a valid priest may be. This, however again is also shaky because I don't know that the Church has approved the priest to do so (which is REQUIRED).

The main point, however, I agree with that has been brought up, is that Mel Gibson's work of Art is liken to Micheangelo's (sp), in that it can be admired, and even worthy, altough Gibson himself, may not be.

[M.SIGGA]

It was not build or maintained by the Diocese of LA. They are not recognized by the Vatican, so technically, they are in schism.

You said it yourself. I found something on the web too.

Mel Gibson guided by faith

Director builds church, credits Holy Ghost for new movie

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Posted: June 29, 2003

1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Mel Gibson, who has built a $4 million church in Southern California so his family can attend Catholic Mass in a traditionalist setting, credits the Holy Ghost for his latest movie project.

Church built by Mel Gibson

The actor-producer-director says he attended Mass every morning while shooting his new movie, ''The Passion,'' because ''we had to be squeaky clean just working on this.''

The film, which Gibson directs, stars James Caviezel as Jesus during the last 12 hours of his life and Monica Bellucci as Mary Magdalene. The $25 million production was shot in the Aramaic language of the time.

Gibson said his Christian faith inspired the film for which he is still looking for a distributor.

''I'm not a preacher, and I'm not a pastor,'' the 47-year-old director-actor said. ''But I really feel my career was leading me to make this. The Holy Ghost was working through me on this film, and I was just directing traffic. I hope the film has the power to evangelize.''

Gibson said the film ''was a strange mixture of the most difficult thing I've ever done, along with this incredible ease. Everyone who worked on this movie was changed. There were agnostics and Muslims on set converting to Christianity.''

Gibson recently completed the building of a church, the Holy Family Chapel in Agoura Hills, Calif. It was built as a place of worship for Gibson's large family and about 70 fellow Catholic traditionalists, who have turned their backs on the modern-day church.

It opened for services several weeks ago, just as controversy over Gibson's latest film raged among Catholic and Jewish scholars.

The actor even threatened a lawsuit against the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Jewish-run Anti-Defamation League over a report they sent to his film company slamming the script for its depiction of Jews.

But this week, a select audience of church leaders praised Gibson after seeing excerpts from the film.

[jrndveritatis]

amesome news.

These claims about Gibson from that article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/)are either blatantly false, or he has reconsidered and come to the truth on this matter.

Tonight (2/16) in the interview on ABC with Diane Sawyer, Gibson stated that he believes that anyone can be saved, even non-Christians. Of course he held that the Catholic faith is the only true way, but he noted that others can be saved. So he does not reject the teaching of the Church that through the merits of Christ anyone can be saved, of course through a type of union with the Church, because after all, outside the Church there is no salvation. So Gibson is not a heretic. He eloquently defended the Catholicism during the interview. Let's all pray that he comes back into union with Rome.

[Donna]

Hey.

Here's my .02:

Sigga is onto something when he points out the extra bit of charity shown to Mel Gibson by EWTN and others who, I think, might be harsh with the ...Traditional leanings let's call them, of many others.

Number Two, re: Outside the Church there is no Salvation: it is possible that a non-Catholic can be in union w/ the Church in one specific way, as far as I know and that is, it is possible for the baptized (proper, by desire or by blood) to be in the state of grace - when they die. It is dying in this blessed state, and only this, which will save ANY of us.

Thirdly: Faith, hope and charity run in that order, and so it is impossible to have "the luv" without "the faith."

The mission of the Church is to save souls, period.