Paladin D Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4224452/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Gibson was interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, and the reporter asked the star if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. “There is no salvation for those outside the Church,” Gibson replied. “I believe it.” He elaborated: “Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She’s a much better person than I am. Honestly. She’s, like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that stuff. And it’s just not fair if she doesn’t make it, she’s better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it.” Woa. That's hard core stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewReformation Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 (edited) You would think this situation with his wife's salvation would make him a bit more open to the teachings of Vatican II. His hearts in the right place, it's too bad he's a bit off in the head. If I'm looking at something and it looks red but the Church says it's blue, it's blue! I must be seeing things. That's how I look at it. All the way to the stake and pyre. Man, Mel would be such an amesome Roman Catholic.. I really hope he gets with it! Edited February 10, 2004 by Laudate_Dominum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Maybe him and his wife can meet in the middle and become Vatican 2 loving Catholics. hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confessionator741 Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Maybe him and his wife can meet in the middle and become Vatican 2 loving Catholics. hahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA smash the two together.... COME ONE, COME ALL.... see the amazing Husband WIFE INFUSION... where two become one, and Vatican I MEL becomes V.II MEL..... limited time only. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXpenguin21 Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 he's obviously never heard of a little nun i like to call "mother teresa" (actual name, Mother Teresa) who said, "It is not our job as Christians to convert...it is our job to make muslims better muslims, hindus better hindus, and christians better christians. How you find your way to God is up to you, whether through islam or any other religion. Its that you find a way, my way just happened to be through catholocism." or a little book i like to read called the "what i believe that my church teaches book" or "CCC" for short where it says: "Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation is necessary for obtaining that salvation. "Since "without faith it is impossible to please [God]" and to attain to the fellowship of his sons, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will anyone obtain eternal life 'But he who endures to the end.'" CCC 161 both of these things, although conflict messages when speaking of non-christians, still allow for Mrs. Gibson to go to heaven... sorry mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 (edited) "It is not our job as Christians to convert...it is our job to make muslims better muslims, hindus better hindus, and christians better christians. How you find your way to God is up to you, whether through islam or any other religion. Its that you find a way, my way just happened to be through catholocism." That totally contradicts the words of Jesus Christ and the teachings of the Church. I assume this is not a direct quote and has been doctored a bit? Thanks p.s. Do we need to make satanists better satanists, atheists better atheists, baal worshipers better baal worshipers, etc.? Considering many strands of hinduism promote some pretty whack things as the means of attaining the end of their religion (things like bizzare ritual sex), I don't think I want to know how exactly we are supposed to make them better at it. "How you find your way to God is up to you", so the gods of the nations are equivocal to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? YHWH Sabaoth, the jealous God of the Hebrews? Y'shua the Messiah was not serious when he commanded us to convert all the nations? This is the point of Israel and the Church as the prophets made clear even before Christ came and spoke to us plainly. There is but one Israel of God! Edited February 10, 2004 by Laudate_Dominum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 THere is a desperate attempt right now to smear Mel and his film right now. I would have to see the whole interview and find out from Mel if he was quoted correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 THere is a desperate attempt right now to smear Mel and his film right now. I would have to see the whole interview and find out from Mel if he was quoted correctly. good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 he's obviously never heard of a little nun i like to call "mother teresa" (actual name, Mother Teresa) who said, "It is not our job as Christians to convert...it is our job to make muslims better muslims, hindus better hindus, and christians better christians. How you find your way to God is up to you, whether through islam or any other religion. Its that you find a way, my way just happened to be through catholocism." Everything I could find on this quote was written by people who were trying to say she was un-Christian, and that she was a Universalist. This made me believe that the quote was taken out of context. Here are two similar quotes I found. http://www.time.com/time/reports/motherteresa/t891204.html Q:What do you think of Hinduism? Mother Teresa: I love all religions, but I am in love with my own. Q: And they should love Jesus too? MT: Naturally, if they want peace, if they want joy, let them find Jesus. If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there. They come closer and closer to God. When they come closer, they have to choose. http://www.ewtn.com/motherteresa/words.htm "There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—all different religions. But they all come to our prayers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 THere is a desperate attempt right now to smear Mel and his film right now. I would have to see the whole interview and find out from Mel if he was quoted correctly. I don't think there's anything wrong with the quote. I think it's a testament to his belief that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, which is what every good Catholic should believe. "Outside the Church, there can be no salvation" - Unam Sanctum Pope Boniface VIII "There is but one universal Church of the faithful outside of which no one at all is saved" - Council of Florence. "[it is an error to believe] Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ" - Syllabus of Errors, Pope Pius IX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I'm praying I'm the only non-Catholic who reads this since I know what you guys are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I'm praying I'm the only non-Catholic who reads this since I know what you guys are talking about I don't even think Mel knows the full meaning of that teaching, by his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Everything I could find on this quote was written by people who were trying to say she was un-Christian, and that she was a Universalist. This made me believe that the quote was taken out of context. Here are two similar quotes I found. http://www.time.com/time/reports/motherteresa/t891204.html Q:What do you think of Hinduism? Mother Teresa: I love all religions, but I am in love with my own. Q: And they should love Jesus too? MT: Naturally, if they want peace, if they want joy, let them find Jesus. If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there. They come closer and closer to God. When they come closer, they have to choose. http://www.ewtn.com/motherteresa/words.htm "There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—all different religions. But they all come to our prayers." Yes, and the universality interpretation of Mother Teresa goes against things I've read that she has said or written. It doesn't make sense. I read the quotes you gave and they seem perfectly fine to me if understood with Catholic eyes. A secular type might read a kind of universalism into it though. She was a personalist, she ministered to people, not mohamedans, hindoos, etc. I think I understand what she is saying because I have done ministries to non-Catholics. You cannot approach people by first putting them in a box. And God's Spirit is at work everywhere. I'm not saying the false religions are of God or are salvivic, but God works in people's souls regardless. I recall meeting a very humble and radiantly peaceful buddhist monk on a bus once and it didn't occur to me that this was a lost, deceived heathen under the bondage of satan. What occured to me was that this was my brother with a heart seeking goodness and truth and he is loved by God more than I can imagine. It is possible to share Christ with a person without getting into doctrine and Scripture. Mother Teresa knows all too well the mercy of Jesus that visits people in their last moments. She knows that the love and mercy of Jesus Christ is infinitely greater than our concepts can approach. If a hindoo encounters Christ in Mother Teresa and says yes in his heart, not knowing a thing about doctrine but only knowing the presence, the deep call of Christ in the secret places of the soul, I doubt Christ would not receive him at death. Mother Teresa's words might have an air of scandal because they are words of love, not words of dogmatic Theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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